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Re: Advice please
« Reply #195 on: April 30, 2020, 02:36:48 pm »
Would much appreciate a recommendation -
Monitor is for work (coding) and sometimes gaming use with a recent Macbook Pro.
Because we are talking a Mac I'd like to stick to the realm of 110 or 220 pixels per inch.
Also because Mac I'd like Thunderbolt port capability.
I have been looking at 27" or 34" ultra-wides but am not set on that form factor. 
Typically look for high refresh rate - though again - gaming is only occasional - and we are talking a Mac.
Budget is roughly $1000.
Thank you in advance for your advice.
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« Reply #196 on: April 30, 2020, 06:43:23 pm »
Worthwhile to note is that when I switch from the 22xw to the 25er, my eyes noticeably relax. This 25er is a much better screen for my eyes. I wonder if the main difference is the low haze, and if that's what I need to buy again in a new monitor. This 25er is actually very usable for me, so maybe what I should do is get a new version of it.

Amazon as late is having difficulty keeping monitors in stock, and even when they had the HPs in, they only had a few of each model. How much longer are we expecting these COVID issues to plague us?

Honestly using this 25er with dark backgrounds and the brightness turned way down is really an enjoyable experience. The almost glossy nature of the screen feels luxurious.

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Re: Advice please
« Reply #197 on: May 02, 2020, 12:13:40 pm »
I've been told (asking on blur busters forums) that using a 240Hz monitor set at 240Hz on Windows if you play at 60fps it will look the same than on a 60Hz monitor, and with VRR it will have several advantages like less lag. Not sure if worth it futureproof, and for games that can have higher fps.


Buying a  240hz + monitor for 60fps is a waste of money and TN panel text is arguably less sharp since the matte coating most use is granier than AHVA/IPS/PLS

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the XL2411P as seems to be popular and has strobing at 60hz, but lacks fron VRR.

The XL2411P has below average image quality even by TN panel standards, below average overdrive (choose between overshoot or slow pixel response times by TN panel standards) and I don't know if it suffers from dark scene banding. 60hz strobing also does not work well unless the frame rate stays locked at 60 so you'll need to use a frame-rate limiter or lag inducing V-Sync.


I plan to use it mainly for casual PS4 pro gaming usage, and am close to deciding on the MSI MAG321CURV. I'm aware of some of its flaws either to do with VA or specifically with the monitor, and have used the CQR version as a reference point as well

Still, I like its value for the price offers right now, and wanted to start off with a 32'' 4k VA, as I'm a fan of higher contrast/blacks, and also coming from using the last 50'' Plasma Samsung TV from 2012/13. (Switching to my room now so would prefer a monitor. Mostly medium-lit to dark-ish lighting)

Thank you for the kind comments.  The MSI has a fake-bezel/frame-less casing with a perceived black depth decreasing black bezel which partially negates the point of having a VA panel, especially when also dealing with the slower pixel response times and less sharp text vs AHVA/IPS/PLS, and warped curved image.  3$ silver tape can be put on the inner bezel, but the MSI, but there are better 32" 4K VA panels, though no monitor come close to the Samsung plasmas.  I highly recommend saving up for the BenQ PD3200U.  The PD3200U competes with VA panels perceived black depth wise since the PD has a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel and low glow AHVA panel.

I use this silver Scotch tape on a few fake border or frame-less monitors I own such as the HP 24 Envy (HP 24 Envy with and without tape and HP 25er without and without tape) and 25er.  I've removed and re-taped a few monitors after a few months and not had issues with residue, however I must warn that adding tape to a monitor may void the warranty.


If you really want a VA panel the BenQ EW3270U (review links) and LG 32UD59 review links both have better image quality than the MSI, proper bezels/cases and should be competitively priced against it.  The BenQ requires some research and set-up to use properly since it has a native DCI-P3 (wide gamut) panel, passable HDR and a good SDR mode.


Asus VA24EHE 23.8

Any thoughts on this and how it compares against the HP 25er I have now?

My 25er has an almost glossy coating as you know, that I like.

Mainly interested in the Asus because it claims to be "eye care" and I'm wondering if it is easy on the eyes.

Eye-Care is PWM/Flicker Free/Safe back-lighting which the HP also has.  The VA is likely very similar and a replacement for the VZ249H, but there are no reviews.  If the HP is under warranty contact HP and ask for a replacement.  They may replace or repair it for free or a small charge if not under warranty.

Amazon as late is having difficulty keeping monitors in stock, and even when they had the HPs in, they only had a few of each model. How much longer are we expecting these COVID issues to plague us?

That's up to members of the Bilderberg and Council on Foreign Relations and top political party donors.


110 or 220 pixels per inch.
Also because Mac I'd like Thunderbolt port capability.
I have been looking at 27" or 34" ultra-wides but am not set on that form factor. 
Typically look for high refresh rate - though again - gaming is only occasional - and we are talking a Mac.
Budget is roughly $1000.

I don't cover ultra-wide monitors, 110 to 220 ppi is too vague, you're going to have to pay a big premium for Thunderbolt/USB-C and none of the non-ultra-wide + high resolution + refresh rate 4K monitors have it.  Either you need to scrap the high refresh rate or look at ultra-wide monitors if you want both features.  The 4K 98hz (full 10 bit + 4:4:4 color) Acer XV273K (review links) sells for under 1000$ (assuming US Dollar) but only has DP and HDMI.
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Re: Advice/Help Thread
« Reply #198 on: May 03, 2020, 01:12:50 am »
Regarding the eye care feature of blue light filtration, is there any benefit to this vs using a software "night light" blue light filter?

Also, I used the previous version of that Asus monitor, but I returned it for a full refund because it had a dead pixel in the middle and had pretty bad backlight bleed.

My 25er has almost no backlight bleed or IPS glow. Do you know what panel the 25er uses? It's impressive in my opinion.

That said, the Asus Eye Care I used was pretty comfortable on the eyes, and the matte didn't bother me. It had a soft paper-like sensation about it that I kind of liked.

My biggest concern regarding a screen is how easy it is on the eyes.
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Re: Advice/Help Thread
« Reply #199 on: May 03, 2020, 01:49:44 am »
Any thoughts on the Samsung LS24F350FHNXZA?

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« Reply #200 on: May 03, 2020, 02:22:32 pm »
Regarding the eye care feature of blue light filtration, is there any benefit to this vs using a software "night light" blue light filter?

Low blue light is a scam unless the display is lit by RGB or GBR back-lighting (only found in wide gamut/professionally oriented monitors) since the rest are lit by yellow painted blue LED's.  The LBL settings and software change the colors internally (via menu settings) or digitally (software which decreases contrast and adds banding), and reduces color accuracy unless the monitor is too blue out of the box (7000k color temperature vs 6500k target).  Simply turn down the blue color setting on any monitor to achieve the same result.

High brightness in a dimly lit room is the main cause of eye strain.  Low frequency LED PWM Dimming/Non Flicker Free/Safe back-lighting is the second cause, but I don't recommend monitors with low frequency PWM and usually only TV's use low frequency PWM now.

My 25er has almost no backlight bleed or IPS glow. Do you know what panel the 25er uses? It's impressive in my opinion.

I'd have to check panelook again...and it doesn't really matter since LG is the only manufacturer of 25" 1080p IPS type panels.

Any thoughts on the Samsung LS24F350FHNXZA?

It's in my 24-25" 1080p IPS/PLS buying guide and there are plenty of newer and better options including their own S24E650PL.
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Re: Advice please
« Reply #201 on: May 03, 2020, 02:56:39 pm »
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Buying a  240hz + monitor for 60fps is a waste of money and TN panel text is arguably less sharp since the matte coating most use is granier than AHVA/IPS/PLS

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Well, i hope to reach at least to +100fps (once i get a new PC with a 1660 Super), but maybe on newer ones or new-console-ports ones i cannot discard the fact of playing at lower fps (and more considering that i tend to not upgrade PCs on a lot of time). Maybe something like the AOC 24G2U is good enough, but if buying something more expensive gives you some king of improvement-advantage, maybe it can be considered an investment.



Actually i'd love to find a monitor that causes me no eye strain and i can use comfortably for hours; by finding one of these i think all other features can be less important.

But how do you find that? I've been told that the HP x27i (no reviews or videos) gives (him) no eye strain compared to many other IPS 1440p monitors, why? no idea xD . Maybe the coating, the brightness, the colours, the blur (and seems it can be any of these for different person xD ).

Guess the only way is try them :D .

Thank you for your help ;) .

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« Reply #202 on: May 03, 2020, 03:05:16 pm »
This is the Samsung Amazon.ca has in stock: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01F9UBSV0/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

LS24F350FHNXZA

I don't see any newer models in stock there. The reviews are good and it's apparently flicker free.

You think the Asus VA24EHE probably is a better unit?

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« Reply #203 on: May 04, 2020, 08:24:11 am »
Also I've read good things about the LG 24BK400H. It's a TN screen, which has me wary. Any thoughts on why no one seems to complain about this monitor even though it's TN?

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« Reply #204 on: May 04, 2020, 12:53:00 pm »
Others I'm considering; VA2452SM

And I read from someone the LG 32GK850G REALLY helped his eye strain, so do you know of a cheaper version that would use a similar panel?

I understand the LG there is MVA. The VA2452SM is also MVA. Would you think the VA would be as good for eye comfort as this LG here?

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« Reply #205 on: May 04, 2020, 08:35:36 pm »
I found this interesting anecdote:

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I have first encountered this eye strain problem when quite a few years ago I have sold my MAG500T Trinitron CRT and bought a flat screen TFT. It was - as far as I remember - a 22" 16:9 Acer with TN panel, 6+2 bit dithering and a CCFL backlight - all the bad things. I was happy. Well... for about half an hour, when my eyes started to hurt. I have tried every setting possible, looked up some forums... in the end, after spending a few hours in front of this monitor, I got such a terrible headache and eye strain that I literally could not work for a week. I could not watch TV or sit in front of a monitor, my eyes swelled up, it was tragic.

So I did some "research", and bought an S-PVA display - a Samsung 971P. I still have it. I turned down brightness, turned up contrast, etc. Also got a lamp behind the monitor that lights the wall, and I was happy again :) Later on I bought a BenQ BL2400T, which has an AMVA panel. It was somewhat harder to set up, but it was OK once again.

However, just today I got a Dell U2515H. I wanted to do some color sensitive work, get WQHD resolution, etc... And now again, my eyes are starting to melt. I look at the BenQ beside the Dell, and it's a relief. I look back, and it's starting to hurt again.

I am still evaluating this, but I strongly suspect that for me, it all comes down to contrast. And contrast is... well, more complicated than one might think. I am perfectly fine with the AMOLED screen of my Tab 8.4 S, even though it has very tiny text. I am also OK with the *VA panels, as they have about 3x the contrast of IPS panels: I can set brightness to almost zero, while turning up the contrast, so that I have really deep blacks. But on an IPS... even the blacks *radiate*. If I turn down the brightness up to the point where it is fine for me, the contrast becomes very low. There is just no sweet spot. If I increase the ambient light in the room, it is somewhat better, but still, IPS - and TN of course - just have way too much intrinsic light hitting my eyes, IMHO.

I would recommend to everyone that have this problem to try some sort of an *VA panel display with about 5% brightness and 50% contrast, with a lit background, and see whether it helps or not.

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« Reply #206 on: May 04, 2020, 10:25:49 pm »
So, I've decided to try a VA monitor as they seem the best regarded for eye comfort for office work. VA2452SM qualifies, but I'm still looking at other options.

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« Reply #207 on: May 05, 2020, 07:33:48 pm »
So, I've decided to try a VA monitor as they seem the best regarded for eye comfort for office work. VA2452SM qualifies, but I'm still looking at other options.

VA panels have less sharp text than AHVA/IPS/PLS and there are zero ways a TN or VA panel can be easier on the eyes since almost all monitors, (including all monitors I recommend) are PWM/Flicker Free and have similarly light matte coatings now.  The VA248HE is untested so there's no way to know if it's better than the S24F350H.

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« Reply #208 on: May 05, 2020, 09:01:44 pm »
Actually, now that I'm using both the 22xw and the 25er side by side, there really is no comparison. I need a low haze or glossy unit. I just don't enjoy the washed out matte surface even for office work. The 25er is far superior.

You say the 25f is not quite as good as the 25er, or do you think it's the luck of the draw?

Also, should have a new HP low haze around this fall?

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« Reply #209 on: May 05, 2020, 11:17:24 pm »
Looks like I need one of the new EliteDisplay monitors. HP has a recently released model with low haze. Looks perfect for me, and looks higher quality than the Asus eye care series.

I noticed both my HP monitors here have almost perfect backlights. The Asus I returned, which was the 2017 23.8" Eye Care model (VZ249HE), had quite a lot of backlight bleed and IPS glow.

Is the HP 22xw that I have flicker free? I can't find any information on that.

Right now isn't a good time to buy a monitor, but maybe things will ease up in a few months.

The new 2019 VA24EHE by Asus has been selling out everywhere, but I think I'd anyway rather keep my money and put it toward a low haze EliteDisplay.