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peat moss

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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2019, 06:17:54 pm »
Is it better to watch Blu-ray movies on a computer monitor, or a dedicated television? If a computer monitor is 1440p (or 2160p, etc) and has to scale to 1080p does it lose any image quality compared to a TV? If so, would it be better to watch a Blu-ray movie on a native 1080p TV?

The larger the display the more obvious downloaded and streamed media banding and compression is, regardless of the display or source resolution.  For example, 1080p Netflix show X with a 3.8mbs bit rate will look significantly worse than 1080p Netflix show Y which has an 8mbs bit rate.  Up-scaling of 1080p on a 1440 or 4K display set to the native resolution is negligible, but the size rule still applies: the larger the display the more obvious source flaws are. 

If used with bias (light behind the display) or bright room lighting the best 32" 4K monitors under 1000$ US like the BenQ PD3200U (matte) and Qnix UHD32R (glossy; I prefer it over my Sony 49X900E for non-HDR content) are better for viewing media since they use AHVA panels with less glow than IPS in TV's like the 2018 Sony 43X750F I tested, and don't suffer from horizontal gamma shift and center black crush like VA panels do, as well as have significantly more ghosting (smearing of blacks, browns and greys), and PWM flicker+blur in most cases. 

I don't making Best Reviewed Flicker Free TV buying guides since there are very few PWM/Flicker free Tv's, but I read reviews as well as have tested quite a few.  The only TV sold currently around 1000$ that I would consider is the Sony 49X900F (Rtings tested the 55" version), but it must be viewed from quite far away (5ft) to avoid viewing angle issues while a 32" 4K AHVA panel can be viewed from a little over 2.5ft without seeing discoloring or washout at the sides of the panel.  32" 4K VA panels need to be viewed from a bit further away.

Best Reviewed Flicker Free 32" 4K AHVA/IPS/PLS

A note about TV reviews: Pay attention to the size reviewed since a Sony 49X900F is not necessarily as good as the more expensive 55" version, as was the case with my Sony 49X900E which came with 1.9 gamma (washed out colors) and is significantly less accurate than the 55" version.  The same is also true of the Samsung 43NU71000 I tested (measurements aren't up yet) which is significantly more accurate than the 55" version Rtings tested, but sadly still uses PWM, and the VA panel viewing angle issues made it annoying to use as a monitor from less than 4ft away.

Thanks NCX.  Is there any loss of picture quality when watching 2K content on a 4K monitor?  Is it better to watch blu-ray content on a native 1080p monitor?

I am wondering about any scaling issues.

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« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2019, 09:51:03 pm »
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Is there any loss of picture quality when watching 2K content on a 4K monitor?

Yes, but it's not worth worrying about at all unless viewing low (non blu-ray or sub-1080p) content.

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« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2019, 12:18:29 pm »
Hello, I return with more budget and with the clearest ideas of what I am looking for.

Im looking for a monitor 1440p, 144hz. I prefer it IPS because I'm very annoyed by the intense banding color of the TN panels, but if there is any TN that solves that problem then I would consider it. My budget is ~650.

My main problem is with the overshoot ghosting, so I come to ask for recommendations for monitors that have this as little as possible. Specialy the inverse ghosting.

My graphics card is an nvidia 2080 so I do not care if the monitor has G-Sync or FreeSync compatible.

I've been keeping an eye on the reviews of Acer Nitro VG270UP, Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD, AOC AG271QG, ViewSonic XG2703-GS and Dell S2719DGF at PC Monitors and at http://bestmonitorsbyncx.createaforum.com/general-discussion/best-144hz-monitors/
But it is not clear to me which is better for me.

Anyway, I am open to other recommendations.
Mainly I want the monitor for gaming (sometimes competitive), and as a second option to watch movies.
Currently I live in United Kingdom.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2019, 10:20:00 pm »
My main problem is with the overshoot ghosting, so I come to ask for recommendations for monitors that have this as little as possible.

All TN panels have worse image quality than the large amount of good <130-200 IPS, and only the Acer XB271HU (@ 60hz) and Innolux IPS (Acer VG270UP, Acer VG271UP & Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD) suffer from obvious overshoot, but the Innolux IPS only do when their highest overdrive setting is activated, which is not necessary.  The IPS are slightly slower (up to 3ms), but overshoot free when their preset overdrive setting is used:

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OD Opt=best or most optimal overdrive settings for each monitor

The Gigabyte's overdrive is still fine for gaming (Rtings loved it while I base my analysis on multiple reviewers), and it has very consistently great preset color accuracy.

The G-Sync monitors have guaranteed functional variable overdrive with Nvidia cards, but it's possible to buy an Acer XF270HUA and an accurate colorimeter (X-rite colormunki or i1 display pro) for calibration for less than 650 .  The Viewsonic XG2703-GS is the best and most consistently accurate of the G-Sync panels, but obviously can't match the image quality of a calibrated monitor with the same type of panel.  The Acer XF270HUA and colorimeter are a better value than the Gigabyte and Viewsonic, plus the XF270HUA uses an AHVA panel with better overdrive than the Gigabyte.  The only reason to consider TN panels is when trying to pay as possible for a 144hz 1440p monitor, or if after 240hz for CS: GO.




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« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2019, 12:52:36 pm »
I'm looking for a monitor with native G-Sync, 1440p, IPS or IPS-type panel, capable of scaling 1080p sources well and at least 144hz. The top ones you've listed here are unfortunately both discontinued and are being sold for way higher than what they originally cost. I'm holding out for the lg-27GL850G-B but there's still no solid release date and i'm kinda tired of waiting.

I've also been told to ignore native G-Sync entirely and get the compatible FreeSync monitors but after looking at this list https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/nvidias-list-of-g-sync-compatible-monitors-expands/ I'm not seeing many there that matches your list of equivalent FreeSync displays. I'm also not entirely comfortable with sticking with G-Sync compatible Freesync since it probably won't be as stable as G-Sync monitors, even certified. I'd also need an RTX card or a AMD card and i'm not sure if I feel like switching from nvidia at the moment

I'm also open to FreeSync suggestions that matches my criteria.


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« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2019, 05:32:04 pm »
I've also been told to ignore native G-Sync entirely

In America the untested Nixeus Edge 27 V2 sells for 400$, and in some countries in Europe the Acer VG270UP also does.  The Acer XF270HUAbmiidprzx also sells for 400-500 in the UK.  Saving 150-200$ and skipping G-Sync does seem like a pretty good deal, especially since Nvidia 9 series and up support Fast Sync, and because some games run poorly even with G-Sync, though I haven't kept track of G-Sync performance in games or played new PC games in 2 years.

I can unenthusiastic-ally recommend the Asus PG279QZ (still PG279Q in Europe but updated; check the side of the box or back of the monitor for a build date) since it's pretty accurate unlike the Acer XB271HU, but I know Viewsonic announced an XG2703-GS successor a few months ago, and Gigabyte announced a G-Sync version of the AD27QD, plus Acer will likely replace the XB271HU this year since it's almost 3 years old.  The next options is the Acer XF270HUAbmiidprzx which has a more accurate and faster AUO AHVA panel versus the VG270UP available now, plus the XF270HUA has a height adjustable stand.

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« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2019, 12:10:04 pm »
Hello everyone.
First thanks for you reviews really helped me to get 2 or monitors to choose. Since awhile i was searching to buy a new monitor 1440p 144hz IPS/VA ? . At first i wanted the Samsung ch32 VA but after a few reads i saw it's a bit slow and has some ghosting.
Then i come across here and saw this Acer XF270HUA and honestly is the one im more inclined to try. I saw they lunched this new XV272UP altough i saw some guys on acer forum having a few problems with it.
So i want to know what you think i should get the XF270HUA or try XV272UP? Thanks

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« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2019, 05:39:15 pm »
So i want to know what you think i should get the XF270HUA or try XV272UP?

Acer XF270HUA bmiidprzx since there are no reviews of the XV272UP, and because it uses an Innolux IPS panel which tend to have signal loss or flickering issues.

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« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2019, 11:10:05 am »
So i want to know what you think i should get the XF270HUA or try XV272UP?

Acer XF270HUA bmiidprzx since there are no reviews of the XV272UP, and because it uses an Innolux IPS panel which tend to have signal loss or flickering issues.
I just ordered it. Will receive on monday,let's hope i get some luck. I'm gonna read about how to check for blackbleed and those known "issues" with panels, i will update after. Thanks for your help NCX.

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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2019, 06:41:06 am »
Hello NCX , long time lurker , first time poster , been meaning to "upgrade" my set up , i currently use a U2715H for gaming and it's time for me to go get something faster on a lower resolution , i've thoroughly read all of your Best of "XXX" lists and i still can not make up my mind , i have a tight budget of 280-300 and every monitor in that price range comes with a ton of drawbacks , at first i thought the XG2402  and the XF240H would be good middle ground monitors but turns out they do have some serious banding issues . I am at a stand still , been eyeing over the Iiyama G-Master GB2560HSU-B1 , haven't seen you mention that monitor anywhere , but from reviews i have gathered around it seems like a decent panel , would like your input on this whole issue if you can spare the time , thank you so much in advance for both the work you've done all this and for the work you continue doing :)

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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2019, 08:35:13 am »
Hi.
I am having real trouble deciding.
Which of the 24" 144hz TN monitors do you think has the best color/contrast in the <250 price segment?

I was about to buy the LG 24GM79G-B for 212.
It is height adjustable, the predecessor got excellent ratings at prad.de and it has a nice OSD with profile buttons.

Now after seeing your list I am not sure, should I rather choose the Viewsonic VX2458-mhd or the XG240R?
Or just get a VA? I heard people say in the 200 dollar range VA offers the most bang for buck, but I am a little afraid of noticeable ghosting.

Or better yet, bite the sour apple and get the Asus VG279Q for 360? The way you describe it seems like the nonplusultra at taht price point.

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« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2019, 12:34:50 am »
eyeing over the Iiyama G-Master GB2560HSU-B1 , haven't seen you mention that monitor anywhere

I'm not aware of any proper reviews for that model, both iiyama and 24.5" TN quality are inconsistent, and all TN panels look awful compared to the U2715H, regardless of how much they cost.  AHVA, IPS and PLS versus TN panel comparisons here.  Save up an extra 50$ for the Asus VG279Q (144hz AHVA panel) or look for the untested, but likely extremely similar Acer Nitro VG271 Pbmiipx which sometimes sells for less.  If these are not an option then consult the Best 24-27" 144hz 1080p Monitors with Free-Sync section of my buying guide which ranks the top tested 144hz 1080p monitors.

Which of the 24" 144hz TN monitors do you think has the best color/contrast in the <250 price segment?

I don't live in Europe or rank monitors based on pricing (it varies by +/- 50$ too often) unless the company has a history of significantly overcharging for non-professional monitors like Eizo does. 

I was about to buy the LG 24GM79G-B for 212.

I removed it from the top 10 after seeing these measurements from Belgium Hardware and factoring in the dark scene banding and gamma variance between the tested units.  Belgium Hardware AOC G2590PX measurements.

choose the Viewsonic VX2458-mhd or the XG240R?

Assuming consistency (there's only one review) the VX2458 is significantly better, however, as stated in my buying guide I don't know if it suffers from dark scene banding.  The AOC G2590PX is the safest TN choice since it does not suffer from dark content banding and consistently comes with decent preset gamma. 

Or just get a VA?

If you want a VA panel consult the Best 24-27" 144hz 1080p Monitors with Free-Sync section of my buying guide.  They're fast enough if upgrading from a 60hz monitor and reviewers such as PC Monitors contain detailed analysis of their overdrive versus TN, and reviewers such as Belgium Hardware and PRAD provide pixel response time measurements which can be compared.  The PC Monitors AOC C24G1 review contains comparisons to 144hz TN panels and the Samsung FG series VA monitors.
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« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2019, 02:44:38 am »


  The AOC G2590PX is the safest TN choice since it does not suffer from dark content banding and consistently comes with decent preset gamma. 



Doesn't the G2590PX suffer from ghosting\blurry when used with an nvidia GPU?

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« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2019, 05:34:34 pm »
Doesn't the G2590PX suffer from ghosting\blurry when used with an nvidia GPU?

Where did you read that?  Read the Responsiveness section of PC Monitors review.  Unlocking the color controls (set Game Mode To Off) slows the pixel response times down slightly, however this is not important unless one is going to calibrate (requires a colorimeter) or play with the settings since the monitor is very accurate out of the box.

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« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2019, 03:17:12 pm »
Assuming consistency (there's only one review) the VX2458 is significantly better, however, as stated in my buying guide I don't know if it suffers from dark scene banding.  The AOC G2590PX is the safest TN choice since it does not suffer from dark content banding and consistently comes with decent preset gamma. 

I just want to know if it has issues with ghosting? In the prad review they only talk about "brightness gradient" (Helligkeitsverlauf) and don't mention motion blur/ghosting. Is it the same thing?
The XG2402 for example has nearly 0 trailing as you may know. https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/XG2402-blur-144Hz.png

Currently I am only deciding between the vx2458-mhd or the 2401.
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