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Lebowsky

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« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2019, 04:31:07 pm »
That's what I thought. Well thanks a lot for checking it out so thoroughly! I guess I'll keep looking for a used 23" Eizo...

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« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2019, 01:06:01 pm »
I'm looking for a monitor for console gaming (xbox one x) and watching cartoons. A while back I had my eye on the Hp 24 Envy https://www.amazon.com/HP-23-8-inch-Premium-Display-Monitor/dp/B00S6DPBYI , but by the time I got around to buying it, I couldn't find it anywhere. Even sized/symmetrical bezels are important to me in a display, and I also liked the fact that the display didn't have too big or distracting of a logo or lights on the front, despite it's lack of external bezel messing with the perceived black depth. I saw earlier in this thread you had some 4K recommendations for someone with a similar question, and that got me wondering if the switch from 1080 to 4k is worth the price jump and the trade off of glossy to matte? I've got a budget of around $600, and have been looking at around $200-$400. I'll be using the monitor in dark/dim conditions about 50% of the time, and won't be playing any content above 60fps. I hadn't really given size too much thought, as long as it's not tiny, but fits on a desk (I'll be using it from 3-4+ feet away on console). My use of low frame rates and appreciation of gloss screens and symmetry make me consider going for a small T.V.?, but I fear it's compatibility and input delay when using it with a P.C. Any suggestions come to mind :) ?



P.S. (Sorry if I formatted something strange, not much experience with forums. And thanks in advance for the advice!)

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« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2019, 01:32:29 pm »
Reading back over that, I'm definitely willing to use the full $600 for better picture quality. I'm not just strangely obsessed with monitor chassis. I tried out the BenQ GW2470ML https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824014441 back in November 2017 (it's taken me a while to get the money and time for monitor research, haha) as a value option, but the entire picture seemed slightly faded, like it had a thin white sheet over the real colors, that made me end up returning it. I've been postponing any visually appealing content since (a few Blu-rays, Triple A games, ect.).

MagicalChicken

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« Reply #93 on: June 21, 2019, 06:26:46 pm »
So I've finally started looking for a 1440p 144hz monitor, and had some questions about a few. Since I don't really have a huge preference leaning one way or another for Gsync or Freesync, I won't mind either one if the monitor is better. Reason I'm asking here, is because I haven't really seen you directly compare the best Freesync ones with the best Gsync ones (Unless I missed it somewhere, which is likely) So I picked the top available ones from the two categories.

The few that are currently available in some way are: (There are others, but these ones are higher on your list than those)
Asus PG279Q/Z (Z at around $550-599 on Amazon, cheaper than the old one oddly enough) (The lack of gamma options is mostly what concerns me about this one, I'd rather not play the lottery, though if it's consistent gamma-wise I'll definitely consider it)
Acer XF270HU (Non-A thicker bezel version, the cheapest here at around $350-400, though seems to be only available/in stock and at that price on microcenter's site, not much of an issue, just something to note)
Acer XF270HUA (The most expensive for some reason and only seems to be on Newegg, at around $800-900, so this one is likely a no-go)

Wasn't sure if the non-A Acer is the same quality-wise, since I haven't seen that one tested/mentioned as much as the A version. Considering how much these things can vary, just want to be sure with that one.

Price isn't much of a concern here, but for obvious reasons I wouldn't want to overpay, in the XF270HUA's case :P

Am probably also going to get a decent color calibrator with one of these (Colormunki/i1DisplayPro) though I definitely don't want to rely on it when it comes to choosing the monitor.

Wish Viewsonic or AOC would come out with improved/new versions of theirs at some point, them being discontinued makes it impossible to find them, let alone at acceptable prices.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 06:32:03 pm by MagicalChicken »

NCX

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« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2019, 07:56:32 pm »
if the switch from 1080 to 4k is worth the price jump and the trade off of glossy to matte?
 

I can't answer this for you, especially since there are so few glossy options now.  The HP 24 Envy comes the closest to matching good 4K monitors SDR (HDTV/REC 709 & sRGB) color space and vibrancy wise, but needs to be calibrated to compete with the best affordable 4K monitors, the Philips 276E8VJSB and LG 27UL550 which is not as accurate, but supports Free-Sync and has a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel.  The Dell S2419H uses the same panel as the 24 Envy, as well as is a bit more accurate, but has the same issue with blues and oranges:

These panels suffer from <1mm thick vertical black lines which span from top to bottom of the panel when viewing some light colors such as light blue and orange.

The Xbox One X can down-sample 4K to 1080p monitors, but not with 4K Netflix content (15.26mb/s), which is significantly higher quality than most of the 1080p content (2-6mb/s streaming rate).  The Xbox One X also supports 1440p, so if in the US and able to deal with 20-27ms delay consider the Planar PXL2790 with Plasma Deposition Coating.  Clarity and Vibrancy: The Last Of The Plasma Deposition Coated 2560x1440 IPS.

There are zero TV's under 800$ US I'm willing to recommend due to low frequency LED PWM Dimming use and/or poor preset color accuracy.
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« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2019, 09:14:00 pm »
I haven't really seen you directly compare the best Freesync ones with the best Gsync ones

There's no point since 99.9% of people I've seen ask about 144hz "IPS" either don't want to spend more than a certain amount which excludes G-Sync monitors, or 100% want Free-Sync for their AMD gpu or G-Sync for their Nvidia gpu.  Also, I won't recommend monitors not officially confirmed by Nvidia (the Acer XF270HU isn't, yet) to be G-Sync compatible for G-Sync compatible gaming, as well as avoid the subject due to compatibility issues.

The PG279QZ is the best choice if willing to buy a colorimeter,  to ensure variable overdrive functionality, as well as slightly superior overdrive performance compared to the XF270HU:


Rtings proved the PG279QZ and PG279Q's overdrive performance is nearly identical so I'll use PRAD's measurements to better compare the Acer and Asus



Neither monitor is perfectly accurate, and the XF270HU has gamma settings to combat the potentially low gamma the AHVA panels can come with (PRAD measured nearly linear 2.3 gamma while PG279Q's usually come with sRGB gamma curves), but the PG279QZ has better overdrive and G-Sync.  I might switch my recommendation to the XF270HU if Nvidia listed it as officially supported, but I have not read much about or gamed with a G-Sync compatible monitor (I have a 980 ti) and thus can not confidently do so.
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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2019, 09:32:51 pm »
Thanks, will likely report back with colorimeter readings once I get them. Maybe even updated readings from my XG2402, as I don't really trust my current i1Pro 2's highly varied results (And is just sometimes a pain to use as things don't seem to always support it right by default)
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« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2019, 09:57:26 pm »
Thanks, will likely report back with colorimeter readings once I get them. Maybe even updated readings from my XG2402, as I don't really trust my current i1Pro 2's highly varied results (And is just sometimes a pain to use as things don't seem to always support it right by default)

If you value your time pay the extra money for the i1 display pro which reads much faster than the Colormunki.  Also, in HCFR click the Measures Men>Parameters and set Number of Grayscale Measurements to 100 and the rest to 16 for much more precise measurements (Yasamoka, the creator of the ICC Profile enforcing Color Sustainer program told me about this).  Doing so will take much longer, but also make your adjustments more precise, and measurements more accurate.
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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2019, 07:26:42 am »
Hello,
Thanks for all the info you have been providing us. ;)

I have a 9 year old samsung that I have been trying to replace for almost a year. :(
Last year, I bought a ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q on a Black Friday promotion. But after going through 2 units, I requested my money back because of the scary amount of back Light bleeding.
I had no idea that the quality control was this bad for monitors, specially for monitors that are so expensive.

I have been following your reviews for some months now, and I am looking to get the Acer Nitro VG270UP, Innolux version, because is the only version available.
I have been reading some reviews that talk about Flickering issues with this Innolux panels, specially this VG270UP model. Others also complain about dead pixels and back light bleeding.
The reviews are from the beginning of the year. Do you think this problems have been fixed?
Do you have anymore recommendations for this price target? I live in Portugal and the current asked price for the Acer Nitro VG270UP is 405Euro. I don't mind spending more money if I think a better deal that will last.
I mainly use the monitor for some coding, gaming, browsing the web and occasionally a Movie/Show.
Thanks.