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« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2019, 03:18:48 am »
The XB271HU is available for around 500.

The XB271HU is significantly less accurate than the PG279Q and XV272, as well has has inferior overdrive with more overshoot than the PG279Q.  If an owner of a G-Sync compatible card G-Sync>G-Sync compatible, and all of the AHVA panels have faster pixel response times than the Innolux IPS.  Sadly none of the true G-Sync AHVA panels aside from the discontinued ViewSonic XG2703-GS came close to matching the preset color accuracy of the best Free-Sync AHVA/Innolux IPS, and and all but the PG279QZ are 3-4 years old and due for unannounced replacements.

So the LG won't be here in the UK until September so that pretty much rules that one out.

The XV272U has gone back up in price. So it's a toss up between

XV272U
AD27QD
AGON AG271QG

I don't think there's much else really
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« Reply #106 on: August 03, 2019, 10:28:09 pm »
AGON AG271QG

If similarly priced get the AG271QG since it offers equal or superior (depending on panel lottery) image quality to the PG279Q (it may also come with low gamma and lacks gamma settings while the AG271QG does not) once the gamma is set to Mode 3, and offers equal gaming performance.  I did not mention it before since it was discontinued in many countries a few months ago.

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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2019, 05:09:11 am »
AGON AG271QG

If similarly priced get the AG271QG since it offers equal or superior (depending on panel lottery) image quality to the PG279Q (it may also come with low gamma and lacks gamma settings while the AG271QG does not) once the gamma is set to Mode 3, and offers equal gaming performance.  I did not mention it before since it was discontinued in many countries a few months ago.

Cheers for your input.

I've settled with the AD27QD. Panel seem fine, no obvious glow to it.

I've calibrated it too with a displaymunki/DisplayCal and the results are fantastic! I couldn't be happier.

Wasn't the cheapest at 529. But the ability to update the FW myself is a bonus after the fiasco with the MSI. I just wish the changelogs were a bit more detailed!

I've left it running at 120hz 10 bit for the time being. I'm not pushing that 144fps just yet with my current card (60-110) on average.

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« Reply #108 on: August 09, 2019, 05:25:46 am »
The only minor thing i have noticed is that the top left/right corner is cooler than the rest of the screen.

Not sure if this is a common/widespread issue or if it's something i'll naturally get use to?

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« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2019, 12:04:44 am »
The only minor thing i have noticed is that the top left/right corner is cooler than the rest of the screen.

Not sure if this is a common/widespread issue or if it's something i'll naturally get use to?

Cool-to-warm or vice versa panel tinting is normal, but I can't make a precise judgement of the severity without seeing the panel myself.  I have measured the black, color temperature and white uniformity of dozens of panels and tend to not notice sub 20% variations which is why I don't provide uniformity measurements anymore unless I can instantly see dis-uniformity when visually assessing panel uniformity, or lack of.

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« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2019, 04:04:17 am »
The only minor thing i have noticed is that the top left/right corner is cooler than the rest of the screen.

Not sure if this is a common/widespread issue or if it's something i'll naturally get use to?

Cool-to-warm or vice versa panel tinting is normal, but I can't make a precise judgement of the severity without seeing the panel myself.  I have measured the black, color temperature and white uniformity of dozens of panels and tend to not notice sub 20% variations which is why I don't provide uniformity measurements anymore unless I can instantly see dis-uniformity when visually assessing panel uniformity, or lack of.

Looks worse when i've calibrated it. I've tried my best to grab some images of it here: https://imgur.com/a/gLJFfR9

tends to be top right and left and quite cool.

If there's a better way to get a photo, let me know!

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« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2019, 12:59:56 pm »
So , I was pretty much sure about getting the AOC C24G1 since I was looking for a new 144hz monitor and did not want to get a TN , but last week another monitor got released in India.  https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07WLW8QWN Acer VG240YP it uses Panda IGZO  IPS panel and is 144hz and is available at the same price as the AOC , now I am super confused which one is better. Since I am worrying if a cheap IPS panel is as good as the Va on the AOC . Can you give your opinion on this? My use will mostly be gaming , browsing and bit of content streaming.

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« Reply #112 on: August 17, 2019, 02:12:48 pm »
Looks worse when i've calibrated it. I've tried my best to grab some images of it here: https://imgur.com/a/gLJFfR9

Looks fine for a cheap panel.  If you want better uniformity you're going to have to forgo 144hz and buy a professionally oriented monitor (Eizo CG & CX, NEC P or Viewsonic VP series), or exchange it and hope to get lucky, besides, how often are you viewing full screen colors and shades, especially grey?

I am super confused which one is better. Since I am worrying if a cheap IPS panel is as good as the Va on the AOC . Can you give your opinion on this? My use will mostly be gaming , browsing and bit of content streaming.

There are no reviews for that Acer yet, so I can't determine if it is better or worse, but I would choose it over a curved VA panel any day since I neither like curved panels or VA panels for gaming.

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« Reply #113 on: August 17, 2019, 02:50:41 pm »
Looks worse when i've calibrated it. I've tried my best to grab some images of it here: https://imgur.com/a/gLJFfR9

Looks fine for a cheap panel.  If you want better uniformity you're going to have to forgo 144hz and buy a professionally oriented monitor (Eizo CG & CX, NEC P or Viewsonic VP series), or exchange it and hope to get lucky, besides, how often are you viewing full screen colors and shades, especially grey?

I am super confused which one is better. Since I am worrying if a cheap IPS panel is as good as the Va on the AOC . Can you give your opinion on this? My use will mostly be gaming , browsing and bit of content streaming.

There are no reviews for that Acer yet, so I can't determine if it is better or worse, but I would choose it over a curved VA panel any day since I neither like curved panels or VA panels for gaming.

I sent it back and got a replacement from a different retailer.

Same build date of May 2019. Panel looks slot better in terms of uniformity, a little cooler towards the bottom left but I've only had it up and running for an hour or so.

Only issue I have come across is the OSD application. Updated to FW07 from FW02, (Which I know it's running because sRGB emulation mode is there) however it's showing as FW02 on the OSD app.

Tried a reflash but still showing it. Hopefully when 8 appears it'll sort itself out. I've dropped Gigabyte a message to question this too.

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« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2019, 12:56:22 am »
Also , can you tell me if this is the same as the AcerVG271 ? https://www.amazon.in/Acer-Nitro-VG270P-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07VZ5TWVV . Same specs from what I can tell and costs around 290$ . Maybe just different regional names? And , if yes,  does the 27 inch being a  1080p bother ?

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« Reply #115 on: August 18, 2019, 10:35:36 am »
Looks worse when i've calibrated it. I've tried my best to grab some images of it here: https://imgur.com/a/gLJFfR9

Looks fine for a cheap panel.  If you want better uniformity you're going to have to forgo 144hz and buy a professionally oriented monitor (Eizo CG & CX, NEC P or Viewsonic VP series), or exchange it and hope to get lucky, besides, how often are you viewing full screen colors and shades, especially grey?

I am super confused which one is better. Since I am worrying if a cheap IPS panel is as good as the Va on the AOC . Can you give your opinion on this? My use will mostly be gaming , browsing and bit of content streaming.

There are no reviews for that Acer yet, so I can't determine if it is better or worse, but I would choose it over a curved VA panel any day since I neither like curved panels or VA panels for gaming.

I sent it back and got a replacement from a different retailer.

Same build date of May 2019. Panel looks slot better in terms of uniformity, a little cooler towards the bottom left but I've only had it up and running for an hour or so.

Only issue I have come across is the OSD application. Updated to FW07 from FW02, (Which I know it's running because sRGB emulation mode is there) however it's showing as FW02 on the OSD app.

Tried a reflash but still showing it. Hopefully when 8 appears it'll sort itself out. I've dropped Gigabyte a message to question this too.


It's an OSD Application error. Confirmed by a few users.

Will give this one a week or so to bed in and see how the uniformity goes.

I think i'm just going to have to realise that a 'Perfect' panel at this resolution and Hz doesn't exist and probably won't anytime in the near future.

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« Reply #116 on: August 23, 2019, 03:27:52 am »
Hi NCX do you think the Samsung C27FG73 have better colors than the asus VG279Q?

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« Reply #117 on: August 23, 2019, 04:35:46 pm »
Also , can you tell me if this is the same as the AcerVG271 ? https://www.amazon.in/Acer-Nitro-VG270P-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07VZ5TWVV . Same specs from what I can tell and costs around 290$ . Maybe just different regional names? And , if yes,  does the 27 inch being a  1080p bother ?

I can't since it has not been tested, but it looks the same.

does the 27 inch being a  1080p bother ?

I can't determine this for you.  I find 27" 1080p fine for 75cm/2.5ft+ viewing distances, but you may not.

Hi NCX do you think the Samsung C27FG73 have better colors than the asus VG279Q?

VA panels have less accurate, even and vibrant color than AHVA/IPS/PLS due to horizontal gamma shift.  The C27FG73 does over-saturate colors if not set to the sRGB mode and has higher contrast and a perceived black depth increasing grey bezel, but it can't display colors as accurately and evenly as the VG279Q.
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« Reply #118 on: September 22, 2019, 05:16:42 pm »
Hello, I'm looking for a new budget low-mid end monitor. My budget is about 140 USD. I'm thinking about getting a IPS monitor, i was also considering VA but it seems like there aren't good ones at this price point. These are the specifications im looking for: 24", 60-75Hz refresh rate, 5 ms response time, low input lag, full HD, 250+ nits brightness, flicker free, low blue light, hdmi and/or displayport, i really want it to be easy on the eyes. Freesync could be a nice touch but it isn't necessary. I'm going to be using this monitor for writing, watching videos and shows, gaming, programming and browsing.

I'm currently eyeing the AOC 24V2Q, the only issues i have with it are IPS glow/BLB and that it's actual response time isn't 5ms as advertised, in both reviews you listed (PlayWare's- http://playwares.com/dpreview/56817843 and PCLab's - https://pclab.pl/art80242-2.html) they list it as higher than 5ms. The former lists it as 8ms by default and it can get to 6-7ms with the recommended overdrive settings, the latter lists it as 18,4 ms!!! Are the results from the second link correct?

The Acer R241Ybmid also seems like a decent option but i can't find you mentioning it or recommending it.
Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2019, 01:51:25 am »
it seems like there aren't good ones at this price point.

There are very few good panels of any type available for under 175$ US, and 60hz VA panels have significantly slower pixel response times than AHVA/IPS/PLS.  Also low blue light is a scam without RGB back-lighting which only high end monitors.  Turn down the Green setting to make any display more yellow and "Low Blue Light".

the only issues i have with it are IPS glow/BLB

All displays can suffer from back-light bleed, and AHVA/IPS/PLS glow is a panel flaw with which can nearly be completely reduced by changing their display height and not viewing them same way as a TN panel:

IPS vs TN: Right & Wrong Ways To Use Or View; How To Vastly Reduce AHVA/IPS/PLS Glow & Increase The Perceived Black Depth[/url]

Back-light bleed can often be reduced to nearly imperceptible amount by not cranking the display brightness and placing the display at the correct height.  Also it's unrealistic to expect to get a completely back-light bleed free display for under 1000$, though it does happen.

Display Brightness & Room Lighting: The Importance Of Light

that it's actual response time isn't 5ms as advertised

All manufacturer provided response times are fake and usually around 50% faster/lower than the true measured average pixel response time.  Compare the AOC measurements to a few other 60hz AHVA/IPS/PLS panels tested by the same reviewer and see that they're very similar.

The former lists it as 8ms by default and it can get to 6-7ms with the recommended overdrive settings, the latter lists it as 18,4 ms!!! Are the results from the second link correct?

PC Lab PL (rise + fall response time for high total) and Playwares are using different testing methods, so only compare measurements by the same reviewer.  Also consider spending more on the Samsung S24E650PL since it is a bit faster and offers top tier SDR (HDTV/REC 709) image quality comparable to vastly more expensive displays (full SDR color space coverage and preset gamma and RGB level accuracy), and is a few ms (14ms vs 18ms)  faster than the AOC, though the AOC supports 75hz.
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