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« Reply #180 on: April 09, 2020, 07:54:55 pm »
Could you, please,  share the  "<5 1080p glossy options"

Low Haze/almost glossy HP 25 & 27er, 25 & 27es, HP 25f, and the Qnix UHD32R (order from Korea or Ebay; it looks grainy when viewed slightly off angle, has low contrast and poor, back-light bleed inducing build quality); I tested all of them aside from the 27 versions of the er and es monitors, and they're featured in the photo albums I linked to in my last post.  They're less reflective than the semi-glossy Dells and HP 24 Envy, but still very glossy.

Dell S2419H which uses the same coating as the S2718D and HP 24 Envy (discontinued)


HP 24 Envy Coating Comparison
by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

Left: HP 24 Envy (Semi-Glossy)
Center:HP 25er/es (Low Haze / Almost Glossy)
Right:Viewsonic VP2780-4k (Matte)

More almost-glossy vs semi-glossy vs matte coating comparisons

The forum only supports url shortened Youtube links for some reason.

Both Dell and HP usually sell a few glossy monitors which come out by October at the latest, so maybe consider waiting since all of the above monitors except the 25f are over 2 years old, which is the typical replacement time frame.
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Re: Advice/Help Thread
« Reply #181 on: April 10, 2020, 11:10:23 am »
Could you, please,  share the  "<5 1080p glossy options"

Low Haze/almost glossy HP 25 & 27er, 25 & 27es, HP 25f, and the Qnix UHD32R (order from Korea or Ebay; it looks grainy when viewed slightly off angle, has low contrast and poor, back-light bleed inducing build quality); I tested all of them aside from the 27 versions of the er and es monitors, and they're featured in the photo albums I linked to in my last post.  They're less reflective than the semi-glossy Dells and HP 24 Envy, but still very glossy.

Dell S2419H which uses the same coating as the S2718D and HP 24 Envy (discontinued)

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HP 24 Envy Coating Comparison[/url] by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

Left: HP 24 Envy (Semi-Glossy)
Center:HP 25er/es (Low Haze / Almost Glossy)
Right:Viewsonic VP2780-4k (Matte)[/center]

More almost-glossy vs semi-glossy vs matte coating comparisons

The forum only supports url shortened Youtube links for some reason.

Both Dell and HP usually sell a few glossy monitors which come out by October at the latest, so maybe consider waiting since all of the above monitors except the 25f are over 2 years old, which is the typical replacement time frame.
Thanks for the detailed answer.

Is a shame no more PDC are made as these glossy or semi-glossy seem too reflective for a well lit room like mine (maybe PDC are unusable here too, but we'll never know it seems :D ).

Just out of curiosity, do OLED TVs use PDC? They look glossy but not like mirrors. (i wonder how a TN could look on a PDC :D ).

Guess i'll have to wait for the October release or just search any other monitor with the less ugly coating i can find :D .


Thank you for the answers ;) .

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« Reply #183 on: April 11, 2020, 08:46:50 am »
Thanks again ;) .

I'll keep looking monitors at its sides to try to find a clean and clear coating :D (or try to find videos showing the "extreme" viewing anlges to see the coating :D ).

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« Reply #184 on: April 11, 2020, 03:43:28 pm »
I'll keep looking monitors at its sides to try to find a clean and clear coating

99.9% of monitors are matte, and I check monitor news, releases and reviews every week.  Dell and HP list their glossy-type monitors as Low Haze in the Display Features section of the specifications.


Eve has per-orders for 20% haze (matte are 25% haze, gloss are <2% and semi-glossy are 4-10%) monitors which are scheduled for later this year

https://evedevices.com/pages/order
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« Reply #185 on: April 12, 2020, 12:02:24 pm »
...
99.9% of monitors are matte, and I check monitor news, releases and reviews every week.  Dell and HP list their glossy-type monitors as Low Haze in the Display Features section of the specifications.

...

Eve has per-orders for 20% haze (matte are 25% haze, gloss are <2% and semi-glossy are 4-10%) monitors which are scheduled for later this year

https://evedevices.com/pages/order
Glossy monitors seem to be really reflective for me or my room, i wonder the % of the PDC or old CRTs.

About Eve, never heard about them but i wonder how 20% will be.

I'm trying to find a matte monitor with a clean and clear coating=almost impossible xD . I need one because i need a new PC too and i don't want to use the CRT i'm using right now xD . But by looking at photos or videos is hard to choose xD.

Even looking at an ASUS tuf vg279qm, or a Viewsonic XG270 that seem to be the "best" can't see if i can like them :D .

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« Reply #186 on: April 16, 2020, 02:46:48 pm »
Maybe you can find this interesting or maybe you can give me more info if you have been able to check yourself, but i'm looking the ASUS VG279QM, is pretty new so i'm looking for videos, and the coating is supposed to be matte but i find it to pretty reflective when it's showed by its sides best example .

Maybe is just the videos, but by looking at my TV LG 32LD420 (not sure what coating it has but it can be watched with light on), i find it has that kind of reflections (it is IPS and the image, although with blur, is really clean and clear).

Maybe i will try to test myself, although is a bit expensive and based on reviews the blur and backlight strobing can be bad at low FPS.

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« Reply #187 on: April 16, 2020, 09:09:44 pm »
Maybe you can find this interesting or maybe you can give me more info if you have been able to check yourself, but i'm looking the ASUS VG279Q.

I have 5x VG279QM reviews linked to on the site.  It's matte.  =DEAD= and PRAD and the youtube review you linked to also have macro photos of the coating in their reviews.  From the video


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« Reply #188 on: April 17, 2020, 10:36:09 am »
...
I have 5x VG279QM reviews linked to on the site.  It's matte.  =DEAD= and PRAD and the youtube review you linked to also have macro photos of the coating in their reviews.  From the video
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Monitor Macro Coating Photo by Dr NCX, on Flickr[/center]
Thank you, thought it could  be something in-between because these "from side" reflections.

Wish there were more info about matte monitors apart of "light coating" or "grainy" to easily check the kind you want :D  .

Thank you ;) .

Edit: is there enough info to compare the vg279qm with the Viewsonic XG270? (If they ever upgrade the Asus to have better blur at lower refresh rates i think i can be better?).


Edit 2: is it me or monitors good for games usually have blurry text? (a lot of comments about this when looking for user opinions)

Edit 3 (sorry) : there is a real problem with these high refresh +200 monitor when used with 60hz games? I highly doubt i can mantain +100 fps for many or any years... Why so difficult? :D
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« Reply #189 on: April 20, 2020, 08:03:54 pm »
Thank you, thought it could  be something in-between because these "from side" reflections.

All 144-280hz AUO AHVA (advertised as IPS), Innolux IPS and LG IPS monitors are matte and use a nearly identical coating aside from the upcoming Eve monitors which are supposed to be 20% haze versus the rest which are 25%.

Wish there were more info about matte monitors apart of "light coating" or "grainy" to easily check the kind you want :D

These descriptions are accurate since only light and grainy matte coated AHVA/IPS/PLS monitors are made right now, and only a few high-end oriented Eizo and HP monitors come with a grainy matte coating now. 

is it me or monitors good for games usually have blurry text? (a lot of comments about this when looking for user opinions)


27" 1080p text...buy a 24-25" or higher resolution 27" monitor if 27" 1080p text isn't sharp enough.  I find 27" 1080p tolerable if viewed from 75cm/2.5ft away, but only for gaming and watching content since I've been using 2x 27" 1440p monitors since 2012.

there is a real problem with these high refresh +200 monitor when used with 60hz games? I highly doubt i can maintain +100 fps for many or any years... Why so difficult? :D

They're made for 200fps+ gaming...The high input lag is in-excuse-able, but only applies to 60hz or if Free-Sync is enabled and the frame-rate drops significantly under 100fps.
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« Reply #190 on: April 21, 2020, 01:26:17 pm »
Fantastic answer! Thank you ;) .
27" 1080p text...buy a 24-25" or higher resolution 27" monitor if 27" 1080p text isn't sharp enough.  I find 27" 1080p tolerable if viewed from 75cm/2.5ft away, but only for gaming and watching content since I've been using 2x 27" 1440p monitors since 2012.
From comments, even 24" 1080p text is blurry on "gaming" monitors (or "new" as many claim older monitors are sharper, i wonder why), and not 100% sure but some of the "144hz IPS 1440p gaming" monitors, does not seem to have sharp text either (as i said not sure and maybe i'm mixing comments :D ).

They're made for 200fps+ gaming...The high input lag is in-excuse-able, but only applies to 60hz or if Free-Sync is enabled and the frame-rate drops significantly under 100fps.
So, if i think i will most likelly play under 100fps on games (maybe even under 60fps, 30-50, when my pc -that i have no yet xD - has aged) getting either the ASUS vg279qm or the Viewsonic XG270 would be WAY worse experience that getting a cheaper 60-75-144Hz monitor, right?

Can't they just do under 3 models for each brand? xD

Thanks again ;) .

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« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2020, 01:24:20 pm »
From comments, even 24" 1080p text is blurry on "gaming" monitors (or "new" as many claim older monitors are sharper, i wonder why), and not 100% sure but some of the "144hz IPS 1440p gaming" monitors, does not seem to have sharp text either (as i said not sure and maybe i'm mixing comments :D ).

Aperture Grill/Ashun, IBXT, PC Monitors, PRAD and Rtings all include photos of text and/or resolution scaling comparisons.  Modern 1080p AHVA/IPS/PLS text is as sharp as 1080p text can be, and sharper than VA panel text.  It's important to find out which monitors people are comparing the "less-sharp" gaming monitors to and if they have Windows Clear Type on or Off.  Most older monitors (especially TN and CCFL back-lit monitors) use a coating similar to that of the Acer KG271.

1440p Acer KG271 TN vs Asus VG279QM vs 1440p Asus VG27AQ vs 1440p ViewSonic XG270G

i will most likely play under 100fps on games (maybe even under 60fps, 30-50,

240hz+ monitors are a waste of money if not able to achieve 200fps+, especially if after sharper text.

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« Reply #192 on: April 25, 2020, 02:48:12 pm »
...It's important to find out which monitors people are comparing the "less-sharp" gaming monitors to and if they have Windows Clear Type on or Off.
True, maybe that can be the reason but find weird how common is in the comments.
Most older monitors (especially TN and CCFL back-lit monitors) use a coating similar to that of the Acer KG271.
I look at these text samples but as KG271 says "
it doesn't truly show just how terrible this coating really is" so hard to tell from these :D. Also, despite of ligh or grainy seems not all uses the exact same.

240hz+ monitors are a waste of money if not able to achieve 200fps+, especially if after sharper text.
I've been told (asking on blur busters forums) that using a 240Hz monitor set at 240Hz on Windows if you play at 60fps it will look the same than on a 60Hz monitor, and with VRR it will have several advantages like less lag. Not sure if worth it futureproof, and for games that can have higher fps.

Also, sharp text is important but i want the best of both worlds; yeah, pretty hard xD.

;)

EDIT: I've been looking for the XL2411P as seems to be popular and has strobing at 60hz, but lacks fron VRR. As i said, too hard to choose :D.

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« Reply #193 on: April 28, 2020, 02:31:23 pm »
Hi NCX,
I hope you're doing very well.

I'd like to thank you very much for all the information/reviews/tips/recommendations/advice you've given to us all both pros and beginners on monitors and the like.

As a newbie it's been a blessing to have the availability of such amazing info to read through such as many of your reviews in my search for my first monitor.

I plan to use it mainly for casual PS4pro gaming usage, and am close to deciding on the MSI MAG321CURV. I'm aware of some of its flaws either to do with VA or specifically with the monitor, and have used the CQR version as a reference point as well.

Still, I like its value for the price offers right now, and wanted to start off with a 32'' 4k VA, as I'm a fan of higher contrast/blacks, and also coming from using the last 50'' Plasma Samsung TV from 2012/13. (Switching to my room now so would prefer a monitor. Mostly medium-lit to dark-ish lighting)

Please do kindly let me know your valued thoughts and feedback on this monitor/decision, if there's anything you can add your input is greatly appreciated. Otherwise, thanks in advance and love your site and your content. Big new fan.

Hope to hear from you. Take care <3
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« Reply #194 on: April 30, 2020, 06:04:59 am »
Asus VA24EHE 23.8

Any thoughts on this and how it compares against the HP 25er I have now?

My 25er has an almost glossy coating as you know, that I like.

Mainly interested in the Asus because it claims to be "eye care" and I'm wondering if it is easy on the eyes.

I have 2 HPs now, the 25er and a 22xw, and the er is preferable not just because of size but because of the less hazy coating.

However, it developed a defect from a power issue. It now has a blue bar going across most of the screen when a light background is used.

It doesn't strain my eyes when the brightness is turned way down. Otherwise it does presumably from being too bright.

I had an ASUS VZ249HE I used for work, that worked well for me, so that's why I'm asking about the VA24EHE. Basically the same as the VZ249HE?

I'm a business user primarily interested in comfortable viewing for my eyes after long periods of reading and analyzing data.

Also open to other options.
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