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MagicalChicken

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2018, 09:43:41 pm »
https://pcmonitors.info/dell/dell-s2419hgf-and-s2719dgf-glossy-144hz-and-155hz-tn-models/ (If you haven't already seen it)

Apparently the 1080p 144hz one will have the same low-haze coating too, interesting.
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 05:32:26 pm »
Quote from: MagicalChicken on August 23, 2018, 03:23:11 am
I wonder how they'll mess these up, I'm guessing no gamma options again, as they seem to like doing that. Interesting nonetheless though, considering they're doing a 1080p 144hz. I wonder if they'll give the 1080p one the light matte coating of their S2417DG/S2716DG, though likely not.

Looks like the 24" version might be matte in this video.  I might order the 27" version which is available here, in Canada.  Update:  Should have a S2719DGF from Dell next week.
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Navi_When

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2018, 01:06:13 pm »
Hey NCX,

Did you receive your S2719DGF?
Does it really have a low haze coating?
Is this TN monitor finally an alternative to the AHVA panels?

Acer will soon release some new AHVA monitors too:
VG270UP
XV272U

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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2018, 06:09:24 am »
Quote from: Navi_When on September 22, 2018, 01:06:13 pm
Did you receive your S2719DGF?

Not yet since there was shipping error which resulted in it getting sent to a different city instead of arriving a few days ago.

Update: Picked it up today, have not unboxed it yet, but will have photos of the coating and other important information up tonight.
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2018, 01:09:29 am »
It's definitely matte:

Dell S2719DGF matte vs Glossy 27 1440p IPS vs Low Haze HP 25es

Dell S2719DGF matte vs Glossy 27 1440p IPS vs Low Haze HP 25es by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

I have not hooked it up yet.
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Navi_When

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2018, 06:28:23 pm »
Bummer, thank you for the information.


Since the Dell is not an option for me anymore, what do you think about the C27HG70?
It has worse responsivness than C24FG70/73, but it has higher dpi - and that's what I'm looking for (FPS/RTS Gaming and Programming).
Because of that I wanted to get the new Acer VG270UP, but even the Acer support does not know when it will be available in retail.
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2018, 05:12:41 pm »
Quote from: Navi_When on September 25, 2018, 06:28:23 pm
Since the Dell is not an option for me anymore, what do you think about the C27HG70?
It has worse responsiveness than C24FG70/73

The C27HG70 is slower than their 1080p panels, but lacks overshoot ghosting (@144hz) and is otherwise a decent monitor.  If it can be bought from a retailer with a hassle free return and exchange policy try it.  I'm hesitant to outright recommend it because of the curved VA panels text blur and slower pixel response (vs AHVA/IPS/PSL), plus 144hz 1440p AHVA panels Acer XF270H (updated with a fake frame-less panel in 2017) and Asus MG279Q (from 2015) are competitively priced against it.

PS: The Dell S2719DGF's matte coating is completely clear or grainy free, but the preset gamma is under 1.9 and can't be raised which results it it being very washed out.
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MagicalChicken

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2018, 10:45:09 pm »
Just going to hop in and add some more recent measurements from my XG2402 (And more details on the settings used unlike last time)

https://imgur.com/ytSFF84 (Gamma)

https://imgur.com/zpzx00B (RGB)

RGB levels seem to be slightly worse than my earlier ones (Though likely measurement variations again), but it thinks its fine so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (The more I try to get it like the older ones, it's like nah, needs more of this and that)

CUSTOM1: Gamma 2.2, Black Stabilizer 10, Brightness 16

Color controls: R96, G96, B93

Standard, CUSTOM1/2/3, and Text seem to be mostly identical on my unit (Last time seemed to have been just measurement variations)

So yeah, mostly the same results, just some changed settings is all (Though colors are a bit more accurate on average) (Black Stabilization seems to affect some colors quite a bit, in some good ways, and in some bad ways. Finding a balance is tough)


I can also confirm the banding, though not as intense as what some of those photos show.
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MagicalChicken

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2018, 08:27:52 pm »
Tom's Hardware did a review of the Freesync Dell, seems to have much better gamma than yours.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-s2719dgf-155hz-gaming-monitor,5881.html

Whether you got unlucky, or they got lucky, who knows.
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2018, 12:13:46 am »
Quote from: MagicalChicken on November 04, 2018, 08:27:52 pm
Tom's Hardware did a review of the Freesync Dell, seems to have much better gamma than yours.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-s2719dgf-155hz-gaming-monitor,5881.html

Whether you got unlucky, or they got lucky, who knows.

It could be customer unit quality (mine) versus review unit (Tom's), Tom's only measuring the 60hz performance, or panel lottery.  The gamma drops at 155hz vs 144hz so I highly doubt their gamma measurements were done at 155hz.  Added the review to the Dell section of my Best Reviewed Flicker Free 144-165hz 1440p buying guide.





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MagicalChicken

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2018, 07:26:39 pm »
The 1080p 144hz IPS Asus VG279Q seems to be out over here, though sadly no reviews yet.
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MagicalChicken

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 03:51:34 pm »
You should add PCMonitor's XG240R review to its list of reviews: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/viewsonic-xg240r/

Curious as to why you have it rated decently lower than the XG2402, as it seems mostly the same, however I could be missing something obvious :P
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 05:01:53 pm »
Quote from: MagicalChicken on January 26, 2019, 03:51:34 pm
You should add PCMonitor's XG240R review to its list of reviews: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/viewsonic-xg240r/

It's on the list along with >4 other monitors to add, and probably more when I actually do update the site on Monday.

Quote from: MagicalChicken on January 26, 2019, 03:51:34 pm
Curious as to why you have it rated decently lower than the XG2402, as it seems mostly the same, however I could be missing something obvious :P

I put the XG240R last since I didn't know if it had the dark scene banding issue at the time, because it has low and skewed-down preset gamma (PRAD measurement), and worse overdrive performance compared to the VX2458 which has better preset gamma than the rest of the Viewsonic monitors (assuming consistency), as well as very fast and balanced overdrive (Ultra-Fast).  The VX2458's main flaw is the perceived black depth ruining glossy black bezel.  The XG2402 and 0R have only slightly-less bad matte black bezels, and glossy plastic is better for putting perceived black depth increasing silver tape on, and are easier to clean, and are hard to stain.

January 28th Update:

I re-evaluated everything and re-ranked the 24-27" 144hz 1080p Free-Sync monitors with the dark scene banding heavily weighed, which is why I excluded a few monitors previously featured.  I removed the 24GM79G after seeing Belgium Hardware's measurements, and because I don't know if it has the same dark scene banding issues as the Dell S2417DG, S2716DG and XG2402.
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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2019, 08:37:49 pm »
buonasera NCX scrivo dalla italia volevo un consiglio  su quale di questi monitor acquistare   Viewsonic VX2458 -Iiyama Prolite XUB2492HSU-B1  -Philips 246E7QDSW - AOC 24V2Q - Philips 245C7QJSB
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NCX

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Re: General Discussion
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2019, 06:31:43 pm »
Quote from: playboy2010 on February 10, 2019, 08:37:49 pm
buonasera NCX scrivo dalla italia volevo un consiglio  su quale di questi monitor acquistare   Viewsonic VX2458 -Iiyama Prolite XUB2492HSU-B1  -Philips 246E7QDSW - AOC 24V2Q - Philips 245C7QJSB

The English language is used on this site since it is the only one I understand.  I used a translator to hopefully understand what you are asking, which is what to buy out of the four monitors listed, which is a question I can't easily answer since the Viewsonic uses a 144hz TN panel while the other three use 60-75hz IPS panels. 

You're going to have to decide if viewing angles and image quality is worth sacrificing to acquire 144hz from the iiyama which uses a TN panel.  I would buy the AOC since it natively supports 75hz, but make sure the gamma to mode 2.
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