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BenQ
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2018, 07:32:48 pm »
BenQ

BenQ XL2420Z

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by Sweclockers

The XL2420Z and XL2420G have much better colours than the XL2430T and XL2411Z once set to the Standard Mode.


BenQ XL2420G

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with 30-144hz Nvidia G-ync and ULMB.

Review by Les Numeriques
Typed and Video Review by NCX


BenQ XL2430T

 Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with 120hz back-light strobing.

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by PRAD
Review by Playwares
Review by Tom's Hardware


BenQ XL2411Z

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by PC Lab PL


BenQ Zowie XL2411Z

Review by IT Hardware PL

The Zowie XL2411Z PC Lab tested is vastly superior compared to the unit Les Numeriques reviewed, as did the Zowie XL2411Z reviewed by IT Hardware PL. Both still had terrible preset color accuracy or image quality, but both could be improved to being good for a TN after switched from the terrible FPS mode to the Standard Picture Mode, and after the gamma setting was changed (IT Hardware PL found Gamma 4 to be the best).


BenQ XL2720Z

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with 120hz back-light strobing.

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by TFT Central

The BenQ XL2720Z has much better colours than the XL2430T and XL2411Z, but also needs to set to the Standard Picture Mode to offer accurate colors.


BenQ EX3200R

Curved matte 1920x1080 144hz VA panel with back-light strobing and AMD Free-Sync.

Review by Playwares


BenQ Zowie XL2411P

Review by Playwares
Review by Rtings
Review by Tom's Hardware 2020

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with back-light strobing, Displayport, Dual-Link, DVI, HDMI 2.0 and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The XL2411P has abysmal preset color accuracy unless switched to the Standard (unlocked color controls) Picture mode which is the only one which unlocks the color controls and offers passable preset color accuracy.  The XL2411P has negligible input lag, but suffers from obvious overshoot ghosting (default AMA High overdrive setting) or slower pixel response times (AMA Off) versus multiple similarly priced and more accurate TN competitors.

The XL2411P Tom's Hardware tested iss preset to the FPS 1 Picture Mode which is fairly accurate aside from the skewed gamma, which becomes even more skewed and causes black crush when switched to the Standard Picture Mode which unlocks the color controls.  The gamma can't be improved with either the Black Equalizer (locked in the Standard Picture Mode) or Gamma controls.  The XL2411P has negligible input lag and fast pixel response times, but Tom's Hardware does not included much information about overshoot ghosting when the default AMA High overdrive setting is enabled, nor do they check for dark content banding so I can't recommend the BenQ.


BenQ Zowie XL2731

Review by Playwares

Fully adjust-able, matte, 1920x1080, 144hz TN panel with AMD Free-Sync, Displayport, Dual-Link DVI (120hz), 2x HDMI and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The XL2731 has 900:1-1000:1 contrast and is preset to the abysmal FPS Picture Mode which has very low (1.48) gamma resulting in very dull or washed out colors and shades.  Like most Zowie monitors, the XL2731 can be vastly improved by switching to the Standard Picture Mode which provides accurate (2.16 gamma & accurate RGB levels) and good image quality, but I do not know if it suffers from dark content banding since Playwares does not test for it.  The XL2731 under-saturates greens and blue slightly and over-saturates purples, reds and yellows; it can not, but comes close to fully covering the SDR (HDTV/REC 709 & sRGB) color spaces.  The XL2731 has negligilbe input lag at 144hz (3-4ms measured by Playwares with the SMT Tool vs a CRT), a 17ms delay at 60hz and fast pixel response times without obvious overshoot when the default AMA High response time setting is used.  I can't recommend it without knowing if it does or does not suffer from dark content banding, and because it is not competitively priced against the 1080p 144hz IPS panels which have much better image quality.

BenQ EX2710

Review by PRAD

Height adjust-able, matte, 144hz 1920x1080 IPS panel with Displayport, 2x HDMI 2.0 and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The EX2710 has 1100:1 contrast, accurate color when the Standard mode is selected, but slightly skewed and too high gamma starting at 30% white which causes light colors and white shades to be too dark.  The EX2710 has negligible input lag at both 60 and 144hz, the default AMA 1 overdrive setting provides fast and overshoot free pixel response times, but they can be improved by switching to AMA 2, though PRAD did not measure the AMA 2 overdrive, even though they think it is the best setting.
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Dell
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2018, 07:33:03 pm »
Dell

Dell S2419HGF

Review by Rtings

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with AMD Free-Sync, Displayport, Dual-Link, 2x HDMI 2.0, 2x USB 3.0, and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The S2419HGF has passable preset color accuracy, but suffers from black crush (reduced detail in dark content) caused by the high average (2.43) gamma, and suffers from red, green and blue under-saturation.  The S2419HGF has negligible input lag, and extremely balanced (minimal overshoot ghosting) and fast pixel response times when the default Normal Response Time setting is used.
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Gigabyte
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2018, 07:33:26 pm »
Gigabyte

Gigabyte Aorus CV27F

Measurements by Belgium Hardware (good gamma) and Review by Belgium Hardware
Review by IBXT
Review by IT Hardware PL
Review by PC Lab PL (low gamma)

Curved, matte, 1920x1080 165hz and semi-wide gamut (127.2% sRGB or 27% sRGB over-saturation) VA panel with AMD Free-Sync (48-165hz range), Displayport (144hz), 2x HDMI 2.0 (144hz), 2x USB 3.0 and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The Gigabute CV27F is fairly accurate (discounting the semi-wide gamut panel over-saturation), but has low preset gamma (less than 2.1 for 0-100% white) which results in greys and white being too light, or washed out.  The CV27F has an sRGB mode which is supposed to reduce the over-saturation of SDR (HDTV/REC 709 and sRGB content) color, but it under-saturates colors too much and locks the brightness controls.  Also, according to IBXT, the gamma can be improved to average around 2.23 by setting the Gamma to 4. The CV27F supports HDR, but lacks all of the features required to provide good performance, which is normal and to be expected from budget monitors.  IBXT measured the CV27F's overdrive performance or pixel response times and found that it has fast pixel response times for a VA panel, and low (<7.5ms) input lag.
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HP
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2018, 07:33:53 pm »
HP

HP 25x

Measurements by Belgium Hardware

Matte 144hz 24.5" AUO TN panel with low contrast, but fairly accurate color presets (slightly too low 2.11 average gamma), negligible input lag,and fast pixel response times.  It has a height adjustable stand, AMD Free-Sync (48-144hz range), Displayport (144hz), HDMI and 3.5mm Audio Out. 
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iiyama
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2018, 07:34:26 pm »
iiyama

iiyama GB2788HS

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by PRAD

The iiyama GB2788HS from their G-Master series uses a matte 144hz AUO TN panel with negligible input lag, fast pixel response times (Overdrive 0 & +1), AMD Free-Sync and accurate color presets, but has low sRGB color space coverage for a modern TN (90%) and the typical TN panel flaws (restrictive viewing angles and color vibrancy and color even-ess reducing vertical gamma shift).

iiyama G3266HS

Review by Les Numeriques

Curved matte 1080p VA panel with 48-144hz AMD Free-Sync and a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel, Displayport, Dual-Link DVI, HDMI, VGA and 3.5mm Audio In & Out.  It's fairly accurate aside from the preset blue tint (8000k meausred color temperature) which can be improved by selected the Hot.Warm color temperature setting.
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LC-Power
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2018, 07:34:40 pm »
LC-Power

LC-Power LC-M27-FHD-144-C

IT Hardware PL

Matte, curved, 144hz, 1920x1080 VA panel with 48-144hz AMD Free-Sync, Displayport and 2x HDMI 1.4.  The LC-M27 has 3,500:1 contrast (good for a VA panel), covers 95% of the sRGB color space, but over and under-saturates some colors, and has a slight preset blue tint.  The LC-M27 has low input lag, and good 144hz overdrive, but IT Hardware did not provide much detail or test the 60hz performance which is important for those who want to play both console and PC games.
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Lenovo
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2018, 07:34:52 pm »
Lenovo

Lenovo Y27G

Review by IT Hardware PL
Review by Les Numeriques

The Lenovo Y27G uses a VA panel with more vibrant colors than TN panels, higher contrast (2,700:1) than AHVA/IPS/PLS and TN, and less glow than all previously mentioned panel types, but VA panels suffer from horizontal gamma shift and slight black crush in the center. The Lenovo has Displayport (required for G-Sync), HDMI, a fully adjustable stand and 4x USB 3.0.

The Lenovo has fairly accurate color presets, but comes with low preset gamma (1.8 average which makes colors washed out), but can be improved to a 2.1 nearly linear average by setting the gamma setting to 2.5 in the OSD.  Turn off Adaptive Contrast, and Set the Overdrive to Off to get of dark color and shade flickering and ghosting.

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LG
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2018, 07:35:06 pm »
LG

LG 24GM77

Discontinued 24" 144hz matte AUO TN panel with AMD Free-Sync and back-light strobing.

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LG 24GM79G

Measurements and Review by Belgium Hardware (with proper gamma but a gross strong preset green tint)
Review by Lim's Cave (video)
Review by Playwares

The 24GM79G supports AMD Free-Sync (requires compatible AMD gpu) and back-light strobing unlike its predecessor the 24GM77, but the 24GM79G has low preset gamma or washed out colors which can't be improved enough to match the 24GM77 and XG2401.


LG 27GL650F-B

Review by Rtings

The LG 27GLF650 uses a fully adjustable, matte, 144hz, 1920x1080 IPS panel with AMD Free-Sync, Displayport, 2x HDMI 2.0 and 3.5mm Audio Out,.  The 27GL650F has high contrast for a non-VA panel, is fairly accurate, but has skewed gamma which causes light colors and white to be too dark since the gamma in the 70-100% grey range exceeds 2.5.  The 27GL650F can not fully cover the sRGB color space, but comes close to doing so and offers extremely fast pixel response times and negligible input lag at 144hz.


LG 24GL600F

Review by Pro Hardware Hungary (too blue 7600k color temperature; better gamma)
Review by Rtings

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with AMD Free-Sync (20-144hz), Displayport, Dual-Link, 2x HDMI 2.0, and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The LG 24GL600F has passable preset color accuracy (Gamer 1 is the best), but suffers from a preset blue tint and has slightly washed out colors since the gamma is non-linear and too low (2.06 average); Pro Hardware Hungrary measured nearly linear 2.2 gamma, but their unit came with a stronger blue tint (7600k color temperature versus Rtings 6880k).  The 24GL600F has negligibly input lag and very fast (top tier) pixel response times.
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MSI
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2018, 07:35:19 pm »
MSI

MSI Optix G24C

MSI G24C Review by Alexander Gryzhin (=DEAD=)

The MSI Optix uses a 1920x1080 144hz A-MVA panel with AMD Free-Sync and a nice perceived black depth increasing dark matte grey bezel. Preset color accuracy is passable, but not that the MSI tries to achieve a 2.4 gamma curve which is high compared to the typical monitor and gamma curve used by most consumer media. Content not created with a 2.4 curve in mind will be too dark, a bit dulled, and suffer from loss of detail in dark scenes. Black uniformity issues or back-light bleed is also quite obvious on the unit Rtings tested. The MSI can be considered delay free, but does suffer from typical VA color smearing and streaking which can be seen in the pursuit camera photo.

MSI Optix G27C

Review by Rtings

The MSI Optix uses a 1920x1080 144hz A-MVA panel with AMD Free-Sync and a nice perceived black depth increasing dark matte grey bezel. Preset color accuracy is passable, but not that the MSI tries to achieve a 2.4 gamma curve which is high compared to the typical monitor and gamma curve used by most consumer media. Content not created with a 2.4 curve in mind will be too dark, a bit dulled, and suffer from loss of detail in dark scenes. Black uniformity issues or back-light bleed is also quite obvious on the unit Rtings tested. The MSI can be considered delay free, but does suffer from typical VA color smearing and streaking which can be seen in the pursuit camera photo.

MSI Optix MAG271CR

Review by Global HD
Review by Playwares
Review by Les Numeriques

Curved matte 144hz (Displayport & HDMI) AUO TN panel with AMD Free-Sync (48-144hz range), Displayport, HDMI x2, 3.5mm Audio Out, 2x UXB 2.0, a height adjustable stand and a fake frame-less casing with a perceived black depth decreasing inner black bezel.  It's pretty accurate, but has a preset blue tint and a wide gamut VA panel which over-saturates colors b by >40% unless the Cinema or Custom presets are used, but the Strategy mode provides the most accurate RGB color and gray scale balance.

MSI MAG24C

Review by Tom's Hardware

Curved matte semi-wide gamut (22% over-saturation or 123% sRGB) 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync (60-144hz), Displayport, Dual-Link DVI, HDMI 1.4, a height adjustable stand and a fake frame-less casing with a perceived black depth reducing inner black bezel.  It suffers from a slight preset green tint, but has nearly perfect linear 2.2 gamma.


MSI Optix MAG241CR

Measurements  Belgium Hardware 

Curved and fully adjustable matte 1920x1080 144hz VA panel with Displayport, 2x HDMI, 2x USB 3.0 and inaccurate color presets caused by the slightly too high and black crush inducing preset gamma, and strong preset blue tint.


MSI Optix MAG271C

Review by Playwares

Very accurate, curved, matte, 144hz 2560x1440 semi-wide gamut VA panel with Displayport (144hz), Free-Sync (48-144hz) 2x HDMI (120hz) and 2x USB 2.0 ports.


MSI Optix G27C4

Review by Playwares
Review by Rtings (2.1 gamma and strong red tint)
Review by Tom's Hardware

Matte 1920x1080 165hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync (48-165hz), Displayport, 2x HDMI 1.4, and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The MSI G27C4 suffers from a preset red tint, has washed out colors caused by the low preset gamma (1.98 Measured by Playwares versus 2.1 by Rtings ) and over-saturates the colors of SDR (HDTV/RED 709 & sRGB) media by over 20%.  The MSI G27C4 has fast pixel response times and low input lag, but has bad image quality and some overshoot ghosting (Rtings).


MSI Optix G271

Review by Playwares

Curved (100R) matte, semi-wide gamut, 1920x1080, IPS panel with AMD Free-Sync, Displayport, 2x HDMI and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The MSI has a 1200:1+ contrast ratio, accurate 2.19 gamma (preset User Mode), accurate 6712k color temperature (slightly too blue), and full SDR (HDTV/REC 709 & sRGB) color space coverage with 23% over-saturation.  The G271 has negligible input lag (3-4ms measuread by Playwares with the SMT Tool)
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Nixeus
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2018, 07:35:41 pm »
Nixeus

Nixeus NX-VUE24A

Review by Tom's Hardware

The Nixeus NX-VUE24A colour presets are not on par with the others, but it is not terrible once two settings are changed (use sRGB mode and set the Gamma to On), and it is competitively priced since it supports Free-Sync (30-144hz). So far only Toms Hardware has used an accurate colorimeter to test the Nixeus. PC Per used a Spyder 4 which can't measure contrast properly, and is not that accurate, but Spyder 4 gamma measurements aren't usually way off. PC Per's gamma measurements for the Nixeus were pretty poor since the gamma range between 1.6-2.0 which is low enough to make colors look washed out and dull

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Philips
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2018, 07:35:55 pm »
Philips

Philips 272G5DYEB

Review by Les Numeriques
Review by PC Monitors

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with Nvidia G-Sync and back-light strobing.


Philips 328C7Q

Review by Playwares

The Philips 328C7Q uses a 32" curved 1920x1080 8 bit matte 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync and a perceived black depth increasing dark matte grey bezel.


Philips 278M6

Review by IT Hardware PL

Curved, matte, 1920x1080, 165hz, fully adjust-able and semi-wide gamut (120% sRGB or 20% sRGB over-saturation) 165hz VA panel with back-light strobing (1ms MPRT), a height adjustable stand, AMD Free-Sync (60-165hz Free-Sync range), Displayport, 2x HDMI 2.0, VGA 3.5mm Audio Out.  The Philips is nearly perfectly accurate out of the box (especially for a budget panel), negligible input lag (2-4ms measured with the SMT Tool), and well balanced overdrive (Faster Response Time Setting).


Philips 272M Gaming

Review by Playwares

Matte, 1920x1080, 144hz, IPS panel with AMD Free-Sync, back-light strobing (MPRT), Displayport, HDMI, VGA and 3.5mm Audio Out.  The Philips has up to 1400:1 contrast which is 30-40% higher than most AHVA/IPS/PLS panels, accurate but slightly too high (2.29 average) preset gamma, and a semi-wide gamut panel which over-saturates SDR (HDTV/REC 709 & sRGB) color by 25%, but does not under-saturate any colors.  The  272M has negligible input lag (2-3ms) and the overdrive is controlled by the Smart Response menu setting and performs best when set to the third setting which provides fast pixel response times and minimal overshoot on par with the AOC 27G2.
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Qnix
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2018, 07:42:35 pm »
Qnix

Qnix QX2414 Multi

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with Nvidia G-Sync and back-light strobing.

Review by Playwares

The Qnix has excellent color presets, fasts pixel response times and built in targeting sights which can be easily enabled and disabled with a button on the front. The Qnix can not be easily returned and exchanged and lacks a real warranty which makes the low price (220$ US versus 250-300$ for the LG 24GM77 and Viewsonic XG2401) only slightly attractive.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2018, 07:42:54 pm »
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Samsung
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2018, 07:50:54 pm »
Samsung

Samsung C24FG70

Curved matte 1080p 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync, back-light strobing and a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel.

Measurements and Review by Belgium Hardware
Review by =DEAD=
Review by IBXT with In Depth Pixel Response Time or Ghosting & Text Blur Analysis
Review by It Hardware PL
Review by PC Monitors with In Depth Pixel Response Time or Ghosting Analysis
Review by PRAD
Review by Trusted Reviews

The Samsung C24FG73 uses a VA panel with much higher contrast, more vibrant and even colors, less bleed and glow than AHVA/IPS/PLS, and vastly superior image quality compared to all TN panels but it does suffer from horizontal VA gamma shift, slight black crush in the center, more overshoot ghosting and less sharp text than TN panels. C24FG70's made before November 2016 suffer from very obvious purple overshoot ghosting when displaying some colors while the newer C24FG73 has a higher chance of coming with the overshoot ghosting reducing firmware (Source=Lims Cave).  The Samsung uses a semi-wide gamut VA panel with 25% over-saturation (125% sRGB), but it has an sRGB mode which prevents the over-saturation and does not de-saturate the colors.

Units made before November 2016 suffer from purple overdrive artifacts (overshoot ghosting) while units made after suffer from more black, grown and grey color streaking, but it's very minor and will likely only bother the most experienced 144hz monitor owners.

Samsung S25HG50FQI

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with AMD Free-Sync and back-light strobing.

Review by Alexander Gryzhin (=DEAD=)
Review by Lims Cave (YouTube)

Low sRGB color space coverage (89% before calibration and 91% after calibration) an obviously grainy/sparkly matte coating when viewing light colors and white, and a 600hz LED PWM Dimming frequency when the brightness is set below 20% (measures 172cdm/2).

Samsung C24FG73

Review by Lim's Cave (YouTube)

Curved matte 1080p 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync, back-light strobing and a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel.  Use the sRGB mode to prevent color over-saturation.


Samsung C27FG73

Measurements and Review by Belgium Hardware

Very accurate (aside from a minor preset green tint) curved matte 1080p 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync, back-light strobing and a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel.  Use the sRGB mode to prevent color over-saturation. 

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ViewSonic
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2018, 02:00:25 am »
ViewSonic

Viewsonic XG2401

Matte 1920x1080 144hz TN panel with AMD Free-Sync.

Tested by qwertymac93 from overclock.net here.
Review by Alexander Gryzhin (=DEAD=)
Review by PC Monitors
Review by Tom's Hardware
Review by Trusted Reviews

The Viewsonic XG2401 has a 48-144hz AMD Free-Sync range, a perceived black depth increasing matte grey bezel, and great preset color accuracy once switched from the default Standard mode to the User mode.


Viewsonic XG3202

Curved matte 1920x1080 144hz VA panel with AMD Free-Sync.

Review by Alexander Gryzhin (=DEAD=)
Review by Playwares

Viewsonic XG2402

Measurements by Magical Chicken (significantly more accurate than the unit I tested)
Review by NCX (least accurate but >900:1 contrast)
Review by PC Monitors (low contrast)
Review by Rtings

The Viewsonic XG2402 has a non-linear gamma curve and a perceived black depth decreasing black bezel vs the predecessor, the XG2401's high quality matte grey bezel. 


Viewsonic VX2458-mhd

Review by NCX
Review by PRAD

The Viewsonic uses a very accurate matte 144hz 1080p AUO TN panel with AMD Free-Sync (48-144hz range) with Displayport (48-144hz Free-Sync range), 2x HDMI (48-120hz Free-Sync range) and 3.5mm Audio Out.  Set the Response Time to Ultra Fast to speed up the pixel response times without obvious overshoot ghosting.  The VX2458-mhd's Ultra Fast Response Time setting offers superior overdrive to the XG240R PRAD tested: VX2458-mhd versus XG240R's best overdrive setting which is the Faster setting.


Viewsonic XG240R

Review by=DEAD=
Review by IBXT
Review by PC Monitors
Review by PRAD
Review by Tom's Hardware (skewed gamma)
Review by Trusted Reviews

Fully adjust-able matte 144hz 1920x1080 AUO TN panel with AMD Free-Sync (48-144hz), Displayport, 2x HDMI (48-120hz Free-Sync), 2x USB 3.0, and 3.5mm Audio Out. 

The XG240R has accurate 60hz color presets, but the XG240R PC Monitors tested suffered from a significant gamma drop (60hz 2.3 to 1.9 at 144hz), and loss of color and shade accuracy and vibrancy when set to 144hz.  Setting the Gamma to 2.6, and setting the Gaming Settings to Custom 1 and 2 (best) improve the 144hz gamma.  The XG240R can't fully cover the SDR (HDTV/REC 709 & sRGB) color spaces, and has slightly worse overdrive than the cheaper VX2458-mhd.  The VX2458-mhd's Ultra Fast Response Time setting offers superior overdrive to the XG240R PRAD tested: VX2458-mhd versus XG240R's best overdrive setting which is the Faster setting.
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