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Post In Here: Ask NCX For Advice and General Discussion Thread / Re: Advice/Help Thread
« on: September 28, 2019, 05:28:51 am »
Quote from: NCX on September 28, 2019, 02:10:13 am
How much is a new Samsung versus AOC?  If PC gaming with a Free-Sync compatible graphics card the AOC is probably the better choice since it supports Free-Sync and 75hz, though the Samsung can probably overclocked to 71-75hz, has a height adjust-able stand, better image quality and is faster.  I can not recommend second hand monitors without knowing where they come from and what condition they come in.

The Samsung is about 198 USD while the AOC is 137 USD. The used Samsung one is 101 USD

Im also considering the AOC I2490VXQ and BenQ GW2480. Which one is the best, the BenQ GW2480, 24v2Q or the I2490VXQ?
http://bestmonitorsbyncx.createaforum.com/general-discussion/best-24-25%27-1080p-ipspls-monitors/?message=111
http://bestmonitorsbyncx.createaforum.com/general-discussion/best-24-25%27-1080p-ipspls-monitors/?message=113

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Post In Here: Ask NCX For Advice and General Discussion Thread / Re: Advice/Help Thread
« on: September 25, 2019, 04:53:14 pm »
Quote from: NCX on September 25, 2019, 01:51:25 am
All manufacturer provided response times are fake and usually around 50% faster/lower than the true measured average pixel response time.  Compare the AOC measurements to a few other 60hz AHVA/IPS/PLS panels tested by the same reviewer and see that they're very similar.

Just took your advise and i can confirmed a lot of budget monitors on PC Lab pl are measured as having 17-18 ms. You are right, they're often similar if not the same. 18 ms is stated as being a bit too much for some games, in one translation they specified esports games, don't know about any other (casual) games. 17 ms is the middle option from what i've gathered, and under 16,7 ms on 60 Hz is the most optimal.

I wanted to ask a few more questions:
Can't i fix the high response time on the AOC 24V2Q with the overdrive options? PC Lab doesn't mention overdrive, or if they did i somehow skipped it. Playware suggests using Low/Medium overdrive because higher options can cause overshoot.
Are videos/movies/shows affected by ghosting, inverse ghosting, overshoot and other similar issues?

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Post In Here: Ask NCX For Advice and General Discussion Thread / Re: Advice/Help Thread
« on: September 25, 2019, 10:33:09 am »
Quote from: NCX on September 25, 2019, 01:51:25 am
Back-light bleed can often be reduced to nearly imperceptible amount by not cranking the display brightness and placing the display at the correct height.  Also it's unrealistic to expect to get a completely back-light bleed free display for under 1000$, though it does happen.

Display Brightness & Room Lighting: The Importance Of Light

Thanks, didin't know that brightness affected black-light bleeding.
Regarding brightness, the AOC 24V2Q had an option to increase the brightness to over the 250 nits it's listed as having, and both Playware's and PC Lab's reviews mentioned that also increased the contrast a bit, to 1400:1 and 1284:1 respectively. I was going to ask if a high contrast would be relevant to my needs but if high brightness increases BLB i guess i don't need higher brightness that much.


Quote from: NCX on September 25, 2019, 01:51:25 am
PC Lab PL (rise + fall response time for high total) and Playwares are using different testing methods, so only compare measurements by the same reviewer.  Also consider spending more on the Samsung S24E650PL since it is a bit faster and offers top tier SDR (HDTV/REC 709) image quality comparable to vastly more expensive displays (full SDR color space coverage and preset gamma and RGB level accuracy), and is a few ms (14ms vs 18ms)  faster than the AOC, though the AOC supports 75hz.

So if PC Lab is using a different testing method, what response time should i be looking for in their tests with casual gaming in mind? What rise + fall response time will avoid ghosting and is good for casual gaming? Is 18,4 ms good enough on a 75Hz monitor? What about 14ms on a 60Hz?
I saw that PC Lab calculate the required response time by using the frequency - 16,7 ms for the 60Hz Samsung S24E650PL and 13,3ms for the 75Hz AOC 24V2Q. From my understanding the response time should be under these values to avoid ghosting. And AOC's is over it (18,4 ms). Is it a bad idea to use the AOC 24V2Q for gaming or is it good enough?

The Samsung S24E650PL costs quite a bit here for a new one. But i found some deals on second hand ones for even less than the AOC monitor. Should i get a second hand Samsung S24E650PL?

I also noticed some other small differences between the monitors. The Samsung one has an adjustable stand which is really neat. The AOC one has freesync (48-75Hz), it has a little bit more screen space, takes a little less space on the desk and is thinner.
What's SDR?

Thanks for the response!

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Post In Here: Ask NCX For Advice and General Discussion Thread / Re: Advice/Help Thread
« on: September 22, 2019, 05:16:42 pm »
Hello, I'm looking for a new budget low-mid end monitor. My budget is about 140 USD. I'm thinking about getting a IPS monitor, i was also considering VA but it seems like there aren't good ones at this price point. These are the specifications im looking for: 24", 60-75Hz refresh rate, 5 ms response time, low input lag, full HD, 250+ nits brightness, flicker free, low blue light, hdmi and/or displayport, i really want it to be easy on the eyes. Freesync could be a nice touch but it isn't necessary. I'm going to be using this monitor for writing, watching videos and shows, gaming, programming and browsing.

I'm currently eyeing the AOC 24V2Q, the only issues i have with it are IPS glow/BLB and that it's actual response time isn't 5ms as advertised, in both reviews you listed (PlayWare's- http://playwares.com/dpreview/56817843 and PCLab's - https://pclab.pl/art80242-2.html) they list it as higher than 5ms. The former lists it as 8ms by default and it can get to 6-7ms with the recommended overdrive settings, the latter lists it as 18,4 ms!!! Are the results from the second link correct?

The Acer R241Ybmid also seems like a decent option but i can't find you mentioning it or recommending it.
Thanks in advance!

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