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So I did some new measurements with the i1 Display Pro, here's the PG279QZ with only brightness lowered:
https://imgur.com/m2iYWcM
https://imgur.com/tNZJ8PT (Mostly the same image, just showing the grayscale and contrast above instead)

Here's about as good as I can get with menu adjustments: (The small RGB adjustments I did seem to hit the measured contrast by about 100 on average) (R99, G95, B100)
https://imgur.com/tk1KLNs
https://imgur.com/6b6IqTr (Same as above, just showing grayscale and contrast instead of primaries/secondaries)

New readings for my XG2402: (Menu adjusted) (Had to make different adjustments compared to last time, the i1Pro 2 really was sensitive to TN panels)
https://imgur.com/4bFNu5z
https://imgur.com/otjWkih

The XG2402 measurements aren't too far from recent readings I got from the older i1Pro 2 the other day, though the i1 Display Pro seems to be consistent with these new readings at least, especially contrast. Not sure what leveled out my XG2402's gamma curve a bit, just went like that after a couple more RGB adjustments (The i1 wasn't moved in that time) (Used to consistently hit like 2.6-2.7 at the higher end, with a single spike to 2.8 )

Back to the PG279QZ, max brightness for me was recorded at 401.579, much higher than Rtings unit. Not sure how FPS mode was more accurate for them, on my unit it adds a weird saturation increase on some colors that doesn't seem to get measured? (Saturation was at default 50 still) Confused me a bit. Sticking with "Racing Mode" just to be sure, seemed identical in accuracy anyway, just without that weird saturation increase to some colors.

Backlight uniformity seems good, just some minor IPS glow, and some slight slivers of backlight bleed at the left and right edges.

Honestly, the only thing that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit, was the 100 measured contrast ratio decrease after minor RGB adjustments, though it doesn't seem to noticeably hurt the image in any way, so I'm going to assume it's perfectly fine. Seems like I just didn't win the over 1200:1 contrast lottery is all (Edit, on second thought, it seems to be working exactly as tftcentral's PG279Q, so I guess this is normal. Ignore me)

I've been seeing rumors that the Z version is "edgelit" instead of "backlit", but I honestly have no idea where those came from. If I'm not wrong, aren't they both edge-lit considering the panel used?

Oh, and in my XG2402 adjustments, a third button snapped off. Great and sturdy buttons you got there Viewsonic.

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Thanks, will likely report back with colorimeter readings once I get them. Maybe even updated readings from my XG2402, as I don't really trust my current i1Pro 2's highly varied results (And is just sometimes a pain to use as things don't seem to always support it right by default)

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So I've finally started looking for a 1440p 144hz monitor, and had some questions about a few. Since I don't really have a huge preference leaning one way or another for Gsync or Freesync, I won't mind either one if the monitor is better. Reason I'm asking here, is because I haven't really seen you directly compare the best Freesync ones with the best Gsync ones (Unless I missed it somewhere, which is likely) So I picked the top available ones from the two categories.

The few that are currently available in some way are: (There are others, but these ones are higher on your list than those)
Asus PG279Q/Z (Z at around $550-599 on Amazon, cheaper than the old one oddly enough) (The lack of gamma options is mostly what concerns me about this one, I'd rather not play the lottery, though if it's consistent gamma-wise I'll definitely consider it)
Acer XF270HU (Non-A thicker bezel version, the cheapest here at around $350-400, though seems to be only available/in stock and at that price on microcenter's site, not much of an issue, just something to note)
Acer XF270HUA (The most expensive for some reason and only seems to be on Newegg, at around $800-900, so this one is likely a no-go)

Wasn't sure if the non-A Acer is the same quality-wise, since I haven't seen that one tested/mentioned as much as the A version. Considering how much these things can vary, just want to be sure with that one.

Price isn't much of a concern here, but for obvious reasons I wouldn't want to overpay, in the XF270HUA's case :P

Am probably also going to get a decent color calibrator with one of these (Colormunki/i1DisplayPro) though I definitely don't want to rely on it when it comes to choosing the monitor.

Wish Viewsonic or AOC would come out with improved/new versions of theirs at some point, them being discontinued makes it impossible to find them, let alone at acceptable prices.

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Something I saw recently that confused me a bit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/c2tlm4/dell_s2719dgf_no_144hz_with_displayport/

Apparently his S2719DGF works at 144hz on HDMI, while yours didn't.

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(If you haven't seen it yet) a new 144hz 1440p monitor to keep an eye out on reviews for: https://www.amazon.com/Nixeus-FreeSync-Certified-Monitor-NX-EDG27S/dp/B07N4DL9F7

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You should add PCMonitor's XG240R review to its list of reviews: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/viewsonic-xg240r/

Curious as to why you have it rated decently lower than the XG2402, as it seems mostly the same, however I could be missing something obvious :P

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The 1080p 144hz IPS Asus VG279Q seems to be out over here, though sadly no reviews yet.

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Tom's Hardware did a review of the Freesync Dell, seems to have much better gamma than yours.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-s2719dgf-155hz-gaming-monitor,5881.html

Whether you got unlucky, or they got lucky, who knows.

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Just going to hop in and add some more recent measurements from my XG2402 (And more details on the settings used unlike last time)

https://imgur.com/ytSFF84 (Gamma)

https://imgur.com/zpzx00B (RGB)

RGB levels seem to be slightly worse than my earlier ones (Though likely measurement variations again), but it thinks its fine so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (The more I try to get it like the older ones, it's like nah, needs more of this and that)

CUSTOM1: Gamma 2.2, Black Stabilizer 10, Brightness 16

Color controls: R96, G96, B93

Standard, CUSTOM1/2/3, and Text seem to be mostly identical on my unit (Last time seemed to have been just measurement variations)

So yeah, mostly the same results, just some changed settings is all (Though colors are a bit more accurate on average) (Black Stabilization seems to affect some colors quite a bit, in some good ways, and in some bad ways. Finding a balance is tough)


I can also confirm the banding, though not as intense as what some of those photos show.

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https://pcmonitors.info/dell/dell-s2419hgf-and-s2719dgf-glossy-144hz-and-155hz-tn-models/ (If you haven't already seen it)

Apparently the 1080p 144hz one will have the same low-haze coating too, interesting.

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I didn't notice that there was a question in your last replay until now, and I've been sinking my free time into the Destiny 2 Solstice Of Heroes armor grind.

Understandable, only just got back into it after a long break, seems like I missed a decent amount of stuff.

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It's normal for cheap monitors to have a color dominance and a bit of banding when viewing gradients and white, both before and after calibration, especially if major corrections are made in both the menu and by the ICC profile.  Major corrections usually are not handled well by both 6 and 8 bit +FRC panels of any type, especially panels without a 12-16 bit 3D LUT, assuming it works properly.

Oddly enough, without any calibrations/ICC profiles, I have a perfect grayscale as far as I can see. No signs of banding or random color casts. Maybe I got lucky.



Unrelated, just saw this: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13260/dell-launches-gaming-24-and-gaming-27-displays (Just putting here on the off chance you haven't seen it yet)

I wonder how they'll mess these up, I'm guessing no gamma options again, as they seem to like doing that. Interesting nonetheless though, considering they're doing a 1080p 144hz. I wonder if they'll give the 1080p one the light matte coating of their S2417DG/S2716DG, though likely not.

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Gave basICColor a try, seems pretty good. Surprised at how much faster it was, while giving similar/better results (Though still added some slight color casts in the grayscale, is that just unavoidable? Not as much as Dispcalgui at least)

Here are my calibrated measurements:

HCFR grayscale/gamma: https://imgur.com/qMsILak

HCFR RGB levels: https://imgur.com/RSOYNmz (Didn't show the primaries and secondaries, as they didn't seem to change from the un-calibrated results in HCFR)

basICColor validation: https://imgur.com/h92XmOC

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That's odd, even your suggested Dispcal settings still didn't give good results, in fact probably slightly worse than my previous ones. Grays get a yellow tint (Slightly less so than my previous ones at least), 1 and 2 of the black level test are the same shade, 5 and 10 have a green tint, and 3-4 have a blue tint. Gamma was worse too.

For me, it also took around three and a half hours total.

Could there possibly be something wrong with the particular i1 Pro 2 that I have?

Here are images of the resulting gamma and RGB gray balance:

https://imgur.com/542aIgu

https://imgur.com/aXWHF9b

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Ah, yeah, didn't look at it too closely. Though it seems to have still wanted to follow the general curve at least. I'll try it again later, maybe with slower settings too.

Edit: Here are my latest HCFR measurements on the "Standard" preset, which seems ever so slightly better than CUSTOM1 (Could possibly be down to measurement variations)

Standard:
https://imgur.com/VIJAEfi (Grayscale)
https://imgur.com/m4Pe6wG (RGB)

CUSTOM1:
https://imgur.com/z2bqV6a (Grayscale)
https://imgur.com/10hLDPc (RGB)

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The settings are for linear 2.2, but there's no guarantee that it can be achieved.

That's strange then, because it really wanted to follow sRGB still for me.

Here's the curve:

https://imgur.com/OvruCxA

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